[D] Ultralisk Conservation - Page 2

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

February 12 2012 11:24 GMT

#21

Have you really tried to conserve ultras? I'm asking this because this is not a new idea. It's really old.
The thing is: Ultras are there to take the damage, while the high dps/cost units (banelings, zerglings, infestors) do the damage. You want/need them to go in at the front, and then it becomes nearly impossible to pull supersized injured ultras back through waves of melee units

If you don't want to lose such gasexpensive units, it is simply better to go for Broodlords if you have the choice. Ultras are there to get killed.

Olsson

Sweden931 Posts

February 12 2012 11:36 GMT

#22

I just feel that stopping at 5-7 ultras and then go infestor with ling and some blings mixed in is the way to go. I don't think you need to pull back an ultra unless you're only on three bases. Otherwise you'll have ultras when your economy is at it's peak and you can just trade armies over and over.

Clubmeh

United States22 Posts

February 12 2012 15:43 GMT

#23

I definitely agree that I think broodlords are the best in most situations but in cases for example where a terran over produces vikings ultras have a little more viability.[/QUOTE]

^This seems to offer the most accurate/concise analysis of the ultra's role. It's only useful is when the terran over produces in kings, but at the same time I would prefer my dual spire upgraded corruptor play over kings that have only 1-2 attack. I don't mind overproducing on currptors - in fact, I prefer it to completely dancing to another tech. Again, maybe the ghost nerf will be the game changer for this unit, but I wouldn't bet on the ultras being viable until hots.

ODKStevez

Ireland1225 Posts

February 12 2012 15:46 GMT

#24

Yeah, I under use transfuse myself ever since beta when Queens move so slow off creep. Transfuse is also great for Broodlords. Something I need to use more, especially late game where you don't need as many queens anyway cause of macro hatches ^_^

lSasquatchl

United States309 Posts

February 12 2012 16:35 GMT

#25

On February 12 2012 20:24 Big J wrote:
Have you really tried to conserve ultras? I'm asking this because this is not a new idea. It's really old.
The thing is: Ultras are there to take the damage, while the high dps/cost units (banelings, zerglings, infestors) do the damage. You want/need them to go in at the front, and then it becomes nearly impossible to pull supersized injured ultras back through waves of melee units

If you don't want to lose such gasexpensive units, it is simply better to go for Broodlords if you have the choice. Ultras are there to get killed.

The images I upload to the OP were from some replay with Ultras on SC2Rep where I figured the same thing would be done as always.Ultras are there to tank damage, I agree with this. They are in there to tank the first few rounds from the Terran army so ling/bling/infestor can wreck the rest, it just seems careless to send in an injured Ultra to die instantaneously.

I am not interested in whether you should go Broodlord or Ultra, but the best way to utilize Ultras as a tech choice. Again during Violet's games on Shakuras he had 2 to 3 Ultras in the deep red and sent them to attack the terran natural. They died quickly and Violet's attack was repelled.Perhaps microing Ultras that have become weak once an engagement has begun is a little difficult and unnecessary, but sending injured Ultras in to break a siege line or even a MMM ball seems like it would never be a good idea.

On February 13 2012 00:46 ODKStevez wrote:
Yeah, I under use transfuse myself ever since beta when Queens move so slow off creep. Transfuse is also great for Broodlords. Something I need to use more, especially late game where you don't need as many queens anyway cause of macro hatches ^_^

I think a Nydus network behind your army either to transport your queens through for transfuse, our as a way to send your Ultras back home could make this even cleaner.

Clubmeh

United States22 Posts

February 13 2012 23:56 GMT

#26

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For point A, I just want to say : Why the hell do you want to attack a ramp ? (if you're not on shakuras plateau

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For B and C : If you see ultralisk as tanks (i.e units that are just here to take dmg, and not to really deal any), they are sth like 2 times more supply efficient than zerling (the other unit that serves as meatshield). You don't need to make 20 ultras, I think 5-6 with good support and good army control can cut it.
For point D : I agree, they just don't fit in any maps.

I understand you're confusion with point A, allow me to clarify: this situation occurs typically when the zerg player wants to break the terran front. Typically, the zerg will a-move into the natural, and with proper building placement, most of the ultras aren't even attacking units.

I agree that you don't need ALOT of ultras, but I feel that in breaking sieges a properly executed broodlord corruptor infestor setup can be far more effective and efficient.

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