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Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
February 06 2012 09:03 GMT
#101
Can anybody help me? I do snipe pretty bad.When use Shift+R+click,ghosts do it too slow,because they seem to reload,and when do it only pressing R+click on target,there are many times i click twice on target son ghosts stop sniping.Is there a way to do it better or its all question of practice???
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
February 06 2012 09:05 GMT
#102
Wow i never thought on using my mouse wheel for snipe, will try it out!
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
February 06 2012 09:06 GMT
#103
I'm not sure if this is broken. We need to see someone using it first in offline tournament before claiming it's really some kind of cheat. In the sniper video all we saw was 10 ghosts against 3 ultras. Don't be fooled by the easyness of this trick to kill them cauz we could do it manually as well. It's just slighty longer. But to say it could "break" the game?
I'd say just let it be and see what happens.
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
February 06 2012 09:08 GMT
#104
question to change the settings where is under I went to hotkeys and cant find it any help would be awesome.
Whatever happens, happens
Surili
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1141 Posts
February 06 2012 09:12 GMT
#105
What i'm worried about is mass snipe vs zealot armies, the only reason it was okay before was because it is hard to click on 25 speedlots... Problem solved :o
The world is ending what should we do about it?
Philipd122
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia776 Posts
February 06 2012 09:12 GMT
#106
On February 06 2012 18:03 Dvriel wrote:
Can anybody help me? I do snipe pretty bad.When use Shift+R+click,ghosts do it too slow,because they seem to reload,and when do it only pressing R+click on target,there are many times i click twice on target son ghosts stop sniping.Is there a way to do it better or its all question of practice???


It's buggy so the best possible way is to put ghosts into a hotkey -> spam R + left click on units. It's very hard at first but it takes practice, queueing snipes isn't as smooth as queueing storms for some reason.
Oz | Leenock | GuMiho | Lucky | MC | PartinG | DRG | Mvp
Hidden_MotiveS
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada2562 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 09:17:03
February 06 2012 09:12 GMT
#107
Hax!

I call hax!
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
February 06 2012 09:13 GMT
#108
Wouldn't this fall under some tournaments rules about Macro Keys?
Son of Gnome
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States777 Posts
February 06 2012 09:17 GMT
#109
On February 06 2012 18:13 Angel_ wrote:
Wouldn't this fall under some tournaments rules about Macro Keys?

i wouldnt think so it is just rebinding hotkeys to your mouse.
Whatever happens, happens
Inty
Profile Joined June 2010
United States99 Posts
February 06 2012 09:20 GMT
#110
On February 06 2012 18:03 Dvriel wrote:
Can anybody help me? I do snipe pretty bad.When use Shift+R+click,ghosts do it too slow,because they seem to reload,and when do it only pressing R+click on target,there are many times i click twice on target son ghosts stop sniping.Is there a way to do it better or its all question of practice???


If you make the ghost hold fire before doing Shift+R+click it works better but its still a little weird. Try it out on a unit test map and see how it works you just have to be a little careful with them because they won't be auto attacking.
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 09:23:30
February 06 2012 09:21 GMT
#111
On February 06 2012 17:52 DarKcS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:48 emc wrote:I mean, it was a bannable offense in FPS games like cs


Because in-game demos record script commands, macros are easily identifiable in most FPS games.
Blink hack (800APM) bots are the only thing in SC2 for example that are noticeable.

As a developer, if you want to stop someone spamming a command 800 times in one second, you don't start writing exemptions and anti-cheat protocols for many different possibilities of executing that command, you simply set a rate limit on the original command to prevent it. Every thread 'OH MY GOD ITS ILLEGAL BAN THEM, DONT BAN THEM ,BAN THEM' is just completely irrelevant. Either the developer care enough to limit abuse, or leave it as is, the community has absolutely no say apart from bringing the issue to light.


you are completely right, this isn't something blizzard can ban but this is something the community can. If it requires a 3rd party program to make this work, then this will never be allowed in LAN tournaments. Once you eliminate LAN, then soon the pros won't play online against a suspected user in tournaments and the community follows.
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
February 06 2012 09:27 GMT
#112
On February 06 2012 17:56 Doomtrain2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 17:48 avilo wrote:
On February 06 2012 17:38 Dariusz wrote:
Blizzard should put like 0,2-0,5s Cooldown on Snipe if people start using it. Other than that i see no problem with using that method.


Ok, then you have to do that across the board for all races, for anything that you can use it on. That means warp-ins, infested terran eggs, snipes, storm, emp, etc.

Really the three main things this is even useful for is infested terran eggs, snipes, and warp-ins as those are actions you want to be able to do as fast as possible usually.


Ok u ppl dont seem to read it. BUT in the vid he has 13 ghosts. Each one snipes one time, together dealing 500 damage (+35 overkill). Now try it with 7 there IS a COOLDOWN on snipe!

For you easier: Do one ghost with 200 energy on one zealot. Clrealy like(!) 0.5s cooldown.
So a cooldown nerf would not deal anything in this matter to snipe as there already is a cooldown.


Good point.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
February 06 2012 09:30 GMT
#113
Hmmm what's an easy way to rebind mouse click to a keyboard key? Seems like it'd be even faster that way.
Dvriel
Profile Joined November 2011
607 Posts
February 06 2012 09:32 GMT
#114
On February 06 2012 18:20 Inty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2012 18:03 Dvriel wrote:
Can anybody help me? I do snipe pretty bad.When use Shift+R+click,ghosts do it too slow,because they seem to reload,and when do it only pressing R+click on target,there are many times i click twice on target son ghosts stop sniping.Is there a way to do it better or its all question of practice???


If you make the ghost hold fire before doing Shift+R+click it works better but its still a little weird. Try it out on a unit test map and see how it works you just have to be a little careful with them because they won't be auto attacking.



Thanks very much man!

Really help a lot by Hold Fire.For some reason if not they do weird thing and start shooting in "normal mode".It works much better if they dont attack,althought the ghosts out of range wait for the first line to go out of energy.As someone wrote,Storm does work much easier...
wongfeihung
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States763 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 09:46:42
February 06 2012 09:39 GMT
#115
On February 06 2012 17:18 avilo wrote:
I'm pretty sure this will be 100% allowed. Do people seriously think blizzard are going to ban you or MLG or any serious tournament is going to ban all mice from being used during tournaments? Because that's what you'd have to do, you'd basically have to ban any mouse that has a driver...so yeah...ban all razer mice from tourneys and other non-sense?

It's a 1:1 keybind, it's legal. I'm interested how many people will start utilizing this, seems like a good idea !

The program that has been linked in the OP is not a device driver; it is a third-party software program that allows you to remap your mouse buttons. The Starcraft 2 End User License Agreement does not allow the use of unauthorized third-party software.

Also, if you look in your Starcraft 2 Hotkey list, it does not allow you to rebind any mouse buttons (at least, not on my mouse), therefore, necessitates the use of a third-party program in order to bind the click command to the mouse wheel. Again, unauthorized third-party software is against the SC2 End User License Agreement.

I imagine that major LAN tournaments would not allow you to install a third-party program onto their computer in order to gain an edge.
CortoMontez
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia608 Posts
February 06 2012 09:39 GMT
#116
I know that in many FPS tournaments binding scroll wheels to fire is banned because it turns semi-auto guns into full auto guns. Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised if tournaments started banning scroll wheel binds.

Obviously this will be somewhat difficult to enforce for online tournaments, but upon review I think that 20k APM will be somewhat suspicious.
"Creator was doing a really good job trying to win without storm but it was like eating spaghetti with a screwdriver." -Severian
Doomtrain2
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 09:48:41
February 06 2012 09:44 GMT
#117
On February 06 2012 18:39 CortoMontez wrote:
I know that in many FPS tournaments binding scroll wheels to fire is banned because it turns semi-auto guns into full auto guns. Based on this, I wouldn't be surprised if tournaments started banning scroll wheel binds.

Obviously this will be somewhat difficult to enforce for online tournaments, but upon review I think that 20k APM will be somewhat suspicious.

20k is only reached with stupid settings. You can setup your mouse wheel speed. I can do it for 1 speed up to 8 speed.
So one scroll means 1 click. up to 8 clicks. Scrolling maybe 3 times with speed 3. means 9 snipes which is pretty good and will by far not mean 20k apm. With low settings you have the advantage and still normal apm - max 1000 ^^ the problem with too low settings is:
only for warp ins: they get spread too far. you need a speed like 4 so that the units stand in a row after warping in.

Btw: All tried the last minutes.

On February 06 2012 18:39 wongfeihung wrote:

The program that has been linked in the OP is not a device driver; it is a third-party software program that allows you to remap your mouse buttons. The Starcraft 2 End User License Agreement does not allow the use of unauthorized third-party software.

[...].


But there are advice drivers that let you do this stuff. So ban the players who use the 3. party software and don't ban the ones who use their advice driver? &:-O
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SamsLiST
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany184 Posts
February 06 2012 09:48 GMT
#118
this is soo broken -.-

...abuse for ALL the abilities!!!

instant chain-warp in from 20 gates is nice to have, instant feedback on whole army too...
transfuse...
...bind to rightclick for 300 apm
Selendis
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia509 Posts
February 06 2012 09:50 GMT
#119
this is BIIIG news. trying it out now.
Probes are sooo OP
Doomtrain2
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany45 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-06 09:52:00
February 06 2012 09:51 GMT
#120
On February 06 2012 18:48 SamsLiST wrote:
this is soo broken -.-

...abuse for ALL the abilities!!!

instant chain-warp in from 20 gates is nice to have, instant feedback on whole army too...
transfuse...
...bind to rightclick for 300 apm

this got already removed from the list of viable abilities. The only useable are listed on the first page... feedback: you would feedback on 0 energy... WHy would you want to feedback several times?? Second: Try this first. It is not as easy to move your mouse in the speed that you scroll your wheel - there will be many overkill-feedbacks.
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