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On January 28 2012 12:28 .maLice. wrote:
Diamond zerg here. What I generally do is ctrl+click a creep tumor, then c+click,c+click,etc. This seems to be about as fast as possible, or the fastest way that I can do it anyway. Not sure if there is a more efficient way though.
I also just click on the mini map, since it is about as easy/fast for me to do that than it is to use a control group for just creep tumors.
Try holding shift and clicking. No more pesky C!
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double clicking tumors does same thing that ctrl clicking does. Try and spread creep after every inject cycle.
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Somehow double-posted. Remove this? Sorry.
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On January 28 2012 14:07 zakmaa wrote:
Also, if you can tie creep spreading to your inject timings that is best imo
this really works well for me, and you can see that a lot of pros have learned to do it this way
watch someone like morrow/idra/ret play on stream, and when they have 'spare actions' or they get nervous, they will check all their hatcheries and tumors more often - their "macro cycle" includes injects, tumors and maybe even some overlord spreading
I dislike boxing units in general (I try to mostly do fancy ctrl/shift clicking unless I'm doing army splits, because I don't like to see overlords suiciding with roaches), but creep tumors are something I will almost always box. Unless there are a few and they're all spreading in very distinct directions (in which case I ctrl-click to select them and then smartcast along an arc).
The biggest thing that helps me spread creep is having a spare queen to do it without missing out on injects (and then she can inject my third/fourth/whatever when I have enough active tumors for the moment). Especially in the late game, if you forgot one of your 'extra' queens, you can quickly plop out 5-8 tumors somewhere safe and begin re-spreading it with some redundancy. Then either suicide the queen for supply or put it to work injecting somewhere.
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Yeah hopefully we get autocasting larval injects and creep tumors in HOTS.
/joke
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On January 28 2012 12:28 .maLice. wrote:
Diamond zerg here. What I generally do is ctrl+click a creep tumor, then c+click,c+click,etc. This seems to be about as fast as possible, or the fastest way that I can do it anyway. Not sure if there is a more efficient way though.
I also just click on the mini map, since it is about as easy/fast for me to do that than it is to use a control group for just creep tumors.
This is what I do too. Or if there are no units near the cluster of tumors I just drag-select instead of ctrl-click.
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On January 28 2012 14:29 Hulavuta wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 13:34 JagerGard wrote:
u spread like idra, or u spread like nub, thats life IdrA's got nothing on HayprO in the Creep Spread department.
HayprO's got nothing on Idra for the "Rest of Game Skill" department.
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Heres some tips, I usually have creep 50% across the map by 10 min with my 4 queen zvt build.
1. watch minimap, your tumors show up on minimap so when the creep is a sizable distance from the tumor you should spread the creep again.
2. select all tumors, then c+click or shift+C+click click click. Its easier to select all tumors and spread all than to select each tumor individually if theyre on the same screen.
3. speed overlords can help spread creep amazingly, 1 full energy queen and 6 overlords spread in good location is INSANT massive creep spread. Ive been experimenting with this once my lair finishes getting ovie speed, leaving 1 queen just banking energy then spawning creep tumors everywhere.
4. spreading creep with a high energy queen is easier than spreading already done tumors, select queen, hold shift+click click click vs select, c+ click, select c+click repeatedly. Its slightly easier.
5. Even slow overlords after lair can help you creep spread assuming they dont die. Just move the overlord to the max distance of creep tumor then as the slow overlord stops you can spread the tumor MAX distance on a single cooldown.
6. Camera hotkeys are alright but its a lot of work to keep re-setting them, i prefer to hotkey a tumor so i can double tap to spread it a lot. Especially in zvp where i make 1 tumor early on, hotkey it and keep spreading it on cooldown. You have to re-hotkey it every time you spread (i put it on 4 cuz ctrl+4 is really quick and easy).
7. and Ofcourse, doing everything fast can leave you more time to spread creep.
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On January 28 2012 12:57 OzkanTheFlip wrote:
the cooldown is 30 sec, so i just fell into habit just as i did with injects, whenever you inject also spread creep
^This is a great way of doing it. Especially because then if you have a creep spread queen, you can keep her energy low. What I do is hotkey all of my queens and cycle through them all when I'm done with my injects. While the queen is spreading, I go through the active tumors
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On January 28 2012 15:32 DarKcS wrote:
double clicking tumors does same thing that ctrl clicking does. Try and spread creep after every inject cycle.
Horrible advice, queen energy regen allows for an inject every 44.444444 game seconds, while the creep tumor cooldown is 15 seconds.
I think the best way is 1-3 camera hotkeys on active tumors, if you are spreading in more ways just click minimap. Cooldown timer in your head is the most important thing by far.
5. Even slow overlords after lair can help you creep spread assuming they dont die. Just move the overlord to the max distance of creep tumor then as the slow overlord stops you can spread the tumor MAX distance on a single cooldown.
This will also pretty much double your creep spread speed (no exageration) and allow you to hop up/down cliffs or across gaps in terrain where creep wouldnt reach all the way around etc. Its an awesome trick.
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On January 28 2012 16:51 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 15:32 DarKcS wrote:
double clicking tumors does same thing that ctrl clicking does. Try and spread creep after every inject cycle. Horrible advice, queen energy regen allows for an inject every 44.444444 game seconds, while the creep tumor cooldown is 15 seconds. I think the best way is 1-3 camera hotkeys on active tumors, if you are spreading in more ways just click minimap. Cooldown timer in your head is the most important thing by far. Show nested quote + 5. Even slow overlords after lair can help you creep spread assuming they dont die. Just move the overlord to the max distance of creep tumor then as the slow overlord stops you can spread the tumor MAX distance on a single cooldown. This will also pretty much double your creep spread speed (no exageration) and allow you to hop up/down cliffs or across gaps in terrain where creep wouldnt reach all the way around etc. Its an awesome trick.
It's not always possible to find 'downtime' and remember to creep spread. Yes you can creep spread inbetween when you can keep up, but until you're able, best to cycle it.
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What I get is you have to click a lot of times since a creep tumor won't originate from the one you expect it to. However, if you make sure to always click the furthest away from the closest creep tumor, you can be sure it's from that one, and then it's very smooth to just spread five at once.
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On January 28 2012 14:17 Nibbler89 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 13:30 Msrobinson wrote:On January 28 2012 13:11 Nibbler89 wrote:
Pretty sure that isn't correct, tumor and spawn larvae have same energy cost build up for queen but the tumor itself only has a 15 second CD I believe. It takes time first for the creep tumor to be laid and turn invisible, and then more time to actually be able to be spawned into a 2nd. 30 seconds is accurate. Just tested in game, not accurate. It takes 40 seconds for spawn larvae to spawn creep tumor is 15 seconds build +15 second cd so its 30 seconds. So a 10 second difference which is actually pretty significant. after 120 seconds you should have 4 tumors if you do it on every inject you'd only have 3, as the game goes on especially vs T this will add up, as it makes it easier for them to clear your creep spread. Obviously most people's tumor / injects won't be optimal anyways, just saying that it's not ideal and not insignificant difference.
it max take a bit longer than that to have the tumors creep spread to its furthest point so i think spreading them after insects isn't that big a deal. that's what i do.
inject> make units> plant tumor with queen> ctrl click tumors> shift c > click click click
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On January 28 2012 18:00 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 14:17 Nibbler89 wrote:On January 28 2012 13:30 Msrobinson wrote:On January 28 2012 13:11 Nibbler89 wrote:
Pretty sure that isn't correct, tumor and spawn larvae have same energy cost build up for queen but the tumor itself only has a 15 second CD I believe. It takes time first for the creep tumor to be laid and turn invisible, and then more time to actually be able to be spawned into a 2nd. 30 seconds is accurate. Just tested in game, not accurate. It takes 40 seconds for spawn larvae to spawn creep tumor is 15 seconds build +15 second cd so its 30 seconds. So a 10 second difference which is actually pretty significant. after 120 seconds you should have 4 tumors if you do it on every inject you'd only have 3, as the game goes on especially vs T this will add up, as it makes it easier for them to clear your creep spread. Obviously most people's tumor / injects won't be optimal anyways, just saying that it's not ideal and not insignificant difference. it max take a bit longer than that to have the tumors creep spread to its furthest point so i think spreading them after insects isn't that big a deal. that's what i do. inject> make units> plant tumor with queen> ctrl click tumors> shift c > click click click
I forgot about the burrow time of new creep tumors, but id like to say inject time doesnt really matter, if you are hitting everything, queens will only regen energy to inject every 44.444 seconds, so it adds quite a bit of time. Its nearly 50% overhead with idle creep tumors, especially if your queens are desynced (which they will be with perfect or near perfect injects) it is best to just have a seperate mental timer i think
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For me:
F3 = Z (creep-tumor button)
Holding F3 and click-spam around creep allows me to fast spread it
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If you have the habit of tapping through your hatcheries/units/structures like in BW to optimise macro, you can try hotkeying one (or all) tumors that are being spawned and tap through them to see which one is done and is able to spawn new tumors. I typically only hotkey one and double click on it to select all other tumors that are close by and c+click everywhere to spread creep.
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All great replies. Thanks guys!
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On January 28 2012 16:14 Msrobinson wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 14:29 Hulavuta wrote:On January 28 2012 13:34 JagerGard wrote:
u spread like idra, or u spread like nub, thats life IdrA's got nothing on HayprO in the Creep Spread department. HayprO's got nothing on Idra for the "Rest of Game Skill" department. I wouldn't be so sure anymore. IdrA has fallen loooooooooow compared to before. I wouldn't even claim him as top 5 foreign Zerg anymore.
Edit: On topic, I personally just box over or control click active tumours, shift-c-c-c-c-c-c-c until its all spread out. Works wonders for me and when I actually plant tumours (lol) I usually cover half the map /at least/ by 10 mins ala MorroW/HayprO/Seal
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Increase ur map scroll speed (the speed at which the screen moves when putting ur cursor at the edge of the screen) this will make it easier to go from one creep tumor to the next
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creep spread is just something you want to remember to do. I don't hotkey it but whenever i am done with a round of injects, i check my creep. And there is no "APM efficient way" to do it. Stephano never hotkeys queens or creep tumors but he had the most insane creep spread imo. Just need to put this into your muscle memory. There is no shortcut.
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