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On January 26 2012 05:42 spbelky wrote:
OK so after the banshee harass, your main production is going to be 2 tech factories and a reactor factory off 2base... sounds good.
More newbie questions: When do you get upgrades, and do you get armor or weapon? or 2 armory and get both? O_o
whenever you have money left while running all 3 factories... and always get weapon upgrade for every terran upgrades
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On January 26 2012 06:03 SpecialistSc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 05:42 spbelky wrote:
OK so after the banshee harass, your main production is going to be 2 tech factories and a reactor factory off 2base... sounds good.
More newbie questions: When do you get upgrades, and do you get armor or weapon? or 2 armory and get both? O_o whenever you have money left while running all 3 factories... and always get weapon upgrade for every terran upgrades
"always" is pretty strong, a lot of Thor rushes prefer +1armor against zerg because it makes zerglings less effective especially in combination with scv repair. Tanks definitely benefit from the weapons which is clearly the right upgrade in almost every instance for other mech units too but there are times where armor can work as well.
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On January 26 2012 06:25 RabidSeagull wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 06:03 SpecialistSc wrote:On January 26 2012 05:42 spbelky wrote:
OK so after the banshee harass, your main production is going to be 2 tech factories and a reactor factory off 2base... sounds good.
More newbie questions: When do you get upgrades, and do you get armor or weapon? or 2 armory and get both? O_o whenever you have money left while running all 3 factories... and always get weapon upgrade for every terran upgrades "always" is pretty strong, a lot of Thor rushes prefer +1armor against zerg because it makes zerglings less effective especially in combination with scv repair. Tanks definitely benefit from the weapons which is clearly the right upgrade in almost every instance for other mech units too but there are times where armor can work as well.
ah but u have hellions so +1 attk hellions will do a better job of handling lings
i think all pros always get attack first regardless of whatever upgrade it is
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How do you deal with Broodlord/Corruptor/Infestor with mass queens for transfusion in case the game goes late?
I find it nearly impossible to fight effectively and even if you can trade evenly, zerg will be back to 200/200 in a minute with random unit which you can't possibly have answer to..
Is this kinda do or die? Thanks..
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On January 26 2012 06:51 Everlong wrote:
How do you deal with Broodlord/Corruptor/Infestor with mass queens for transfusion in case the game goes late?
I find it nearly impossible to fight effectively and even if you can trade evenly, zerg will be back to 200/200 in a minute with random unit which you can't possibly have answer to..
Is this kinda do or die? Thanks..
not do or die, just do
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On January 26 2012 06:55 SpecialistSc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 06:51 Everlong wrote:
How do you deal with Broodlord/Corruptor/Infestor with mass queens for transfusion in case the game goes late?
I find it nearly impossible to fight effectively and even if you can trade evenly, zerg will be back to 200/200 in a minute with random unit which you can't possibly have answer to..
Is this kinda do or die? Thanks.. not do or die, just do
Oh, you are smart, oke. 
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On January 26 2012 03:52 eu.exodus wrote:
ive had i few people do this to me a few times, could you post replays of you doing this? i usually beat it easily by just spamming lings and a few banelings to bust his wall directly after holding the banshee harass and then kill scvs like crazy and leave them there while i expand and tech.
maybe the people im playing against are doing it wrong? i cant watch youtube shit so please please could you post replays
edit ; i called scvs drones -_- lol
i also do this against any >2 hellion opening with 90% win rate. The hellion banshee opening leaves the terran with thin production caps, so mass spam sling bling always takes him down (on 25..30 drones). Even if the first wave does not completely destroy him, commiting to sling bling always was worth the risk ..
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Well, so far, I now have two solid tvz builds. I'll try this out and post my results.
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specialist do you have replays of forgg? or where do you get your informations, timings etc?
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another very nice guide, cheers!
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Nice, thanks for the detailed BO.
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Please can you delete this guide because soon every terran will do it, so zerg will find out a counter to it and my freewin against zergs will be over.
Thanks.
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On January 26 2012 10:20 TanTzoR wrote:
Please can you delete this guide because soon every terran will do it, so zerg will find out a counter to it and my freewin against zergs will be over.
Thanks.
hehe, learn to play some other styles
also, there is no hard counter so it's all gud
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Its a great guide but the OPs statement that everyone goes +weaps instead of armor is not only wrong but foolish. Critical damage for thors and hellions will not change with +1weapons in this type of push, +1armor will definitely be preferable in this strategy.
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On January 26 2012 11:04 statikg wrote:
Its a great guide but the OPs statement that everyone goes +weaps instead of armor is not only wrong but foolish. Critical damage for thors and hellions will not change with +1weapons in this type of push, +1armor will definitely be preferable in this strategy.
Thanks for criticism but why you calling me foolish? It's def a personal preference and weap upgrades are good in long term (faster 3 att up). And besides, upgrades that early is not a deal breaker anyhow.
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How would you deal with a early bane bust... I know you will have banshees to clean it up, but won't the damage already be done?
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On January 26 2012 11:19 SpecialistSc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 11:04 statikg wrote:
Its a great guide but the OPs statement that everyone goes +weaps instead of armor is not only wrong but foolish. Critical damage for thors and hellions will not change with +1weapons in this type of push, +1armor will definitely be preferable in this strategy. Thanks for criticism but why you calling me foolish? It's def a personal preference and weap upgrades are good in long term (faster 3 att up). And besides, upgrades that early is not a deal breaker anyhow.
I am not calling you foolish, just this particular statement. Since this build is basically an all-in (sure you COULD do damage that would make it not all in) then you probably only get an opportunity to do 1upgrade and in that case +1 armor is definitely better. If u claim that you transition into a macro game from this build, then you must have ridiculous macro skillz. I have seen forgg do this build on his stream and he typically leaves immediately if the thor push dies.
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its very simmilar to mEtRoSG anti zerg built
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=227711¤tpage=11#220
@ TanTzoR zerg are way to used to bio play
its good for them deal with other kinds of of built
and if you have no korean micro mech is the cost efftive way to deal with them
you just become like a protoss who built a death ball
and your force the zerg to spend more and gas
and every zerg is gas hungry
and if they built mass mutas
they die
even with mass roach is hard to stop it without a saturated fast 3rd
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On January 26 2012 11:26 ff7legend wrote:
How would you deal with a early bane bust... I know you will have banshees to clean it up, but won't the damage already be done?
you have enough hellions to deal with that
and vs roach you have banshees
and if you scout no expo then you built a bunker that should be enough
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Thanks alot for your insight into the build, was looking for a more in-depth guide of this.
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