[D] If Protoss had the reaper - Page 3

On October 21 2011 03:57 kcdc wrote:


Yeah, you can force a handful of lings and make him micro his queens until speed is about 30 sec from done. You're lucky to kill more than a ling or 2 tho.

On October 21 2011 03:35 Noocta wrote:
To be fair, reaper in warp in would be pretty silly.
Reaper are balanced with the idea they take a shitlot tons of time to build.

On October 21 2011 03:47 Atreides wrote:


Yeah just no. Protoss does not have to leave defense in base to defend reapers. As the original comment indicated one stalker warpin easily deals with a reaper. Whereas with Terran if you are out on the map you are in serious trouble if one reaper shows up. This would give a ridiculously safe 1gate expo as the fact that literally EVERY game you would have to leave units in main to defend against a reaper and there is nothing you can do about it. In TvT you can scout a techlab opening and assumer reaper and prepare, or vice versa its not allways on the table. Allowing it off just the core would mean it was available allways.

It is quite an overstatement to say it would only serve scouting. You could not do any sort of a poke at all early game as Terran and I am pretty sure this in and of itself would imbalance the matchup.

Edit: To the other posts about in base defense, thats all fine and dandy we are talking about the very early game here.

On October 21 2011 03:56 Alzadar wrote:
I would pay 200/200 to be able to build a reaper. The ability to scout is invaluable.

On October 21 2011 03:57 tehemperorer wrote:

Usually early obs or even just a 1z 1s poke against Terran is pretty clear what their intentions are

On October 21 2011 03:16 Thebbeuttiffulland wrote:
well terran cant warp in units in main so if 5-10 reapers come will terran have to run back to base?...until terran comes there will be no buildings left :D

On October 21 2011 04:10 Alzadar wrote:


Observers work of course, but they require blindly committing to a tech path, and the scout will be relatively late. Zealot Stalker poke won't tell you much except that your opponent, like most Terrans, built a bunker at his ramp. It isn't enough to break a bunker, he's not even forced to reveal his units: at absolute best you force 2 SCVs to be pulled, but you'll still have no scouting information except what he chose to show you.

On October 21 2011 04:10 Atreides wrote:


I guess basically what I am saying is that Protoss is less dependent on early map presence then Terran (at least currently) so yes it is considered standard for them to sit in their base defending a fe while they chrono boost probes and gain an economic advantage. But Terran has this sort of build to with a gasless expand, so maybe that would become even more standard. I think it would kill concussive expands and stuff like that though.

On October 21 2011 04:23 Quotidian wrote:
If we're going to base a discussion on ifs, I'd say the game would be much better off if no race had reaper like units. Blizzard have pretty much admitted to the unit being a failure in terms of what it was originally intended as. I think the game would be much, much better off if no unit except straight up air units were allowed to circumvent cliffs and defenses. No blinking up cliffs, no low ground to high ground warp ins, no reapers, and the cliff walking siege tank that is the colossus is a failure of a unit on a whole bunch of levels in addition to it walking up cliffs.

The geometry of a map should matter waaaay more than it does in SC2.

On October 21 2011 04:26 Atreides wrote:
I do not know off the top of my head the exact relative timings and stuff, but I am pretty sure that a standard one gate fe is more economic than a concussive expand.