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So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance..
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I defeated a master 6 pooling when I 14 14'nd and I am only gold. Don't have replay. In essence what I do is move command pull back/surround depending on what he does, when queen and a few lings pop SAFE. He usually mineral far right or left if lings follow go other side and attack when you have surround. I heard some top pro say never fight in mineral line so I just dont.
Check Idras stream if you must have replay.
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On October 11 2011 03:51 ThyHate wrote:
So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance..
no offense but if you can't hold off a 6 pool with a 13g 14 pool that's quite bad. i seriously think your micro is far below average if you aren't able to hold this type of aggression off, after all it's only 6 lings and you have 14ish drones...
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On October 11 2011 04:35 TheLastGoose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:51 ThyHate wrote:
So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance.. no offense but if you can't hold off a 6 pool with a 13g 14 pool that's quite bad. i seriously think your micro is far below average if you aren't able to hold this type of aggression off, after all it's only 6 lings and you have 14ish drones...
maybe you should try giving him some micro tips rather than bashing on how below average he is
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drone drill, click all drones on to mineral patch far from where lings are coming, when they're all on, click mine on opposite mineral patch and right as they're moving towards lings attack move to surround as your first 4 lings are coming out, invest in some more lings because he all ined
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do they continue the lings or just the initial 6?
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As soon as you see the 6 pool, pull drones from gas but keep spending your larva on drones. Your scouting drone should look out for the exact timing the first 6 lings are moving out.
Pull all drones in time, so you can fight the first wave of lings OFF creep (on top of your ramp). Its important you time this out well as you will want to keep mining as long as possible, to be able to afford a round of lings.
Spread your drones a little in order to get a good sourround (you dont want to engange in a limbo line) and just attack move. Your ~17 drones will easily crush his 6 lings.
If he builds a spine, attack with a few drones (3-4) and keep chasing the lings with the rest of the drones. Build 6 lings as soon as your pool is done.
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On October 11 2011 04:35 TheLastGoose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 03:51 ThyHate wrote:
So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance.. no offense but if you can't hold off a 6 pool with a 13g 14 pool that's quite bad. i seriously think your micro is far below average if you aren't able to hold this type of aggression off, after all it's only 6 lings and you have 14ish drones...
I've lost to a 6pool with 14/14 which should actually be stronger vs 6pool than 13/14 (which isn't even a good build imo). I was a GM zerg last season, currently playing on a Random acct this season in rank 1 masters. To say "that's quite bad" is a bunch of bullshit. It happens. It's map dependent. You might get outmacroed by lings. The spine may get up. He may have pulled all 6 drones.
Gimme a break.
On October 11 2011 04:45 evilm0nkey wrote:
As soon as you see the 6 pool, pull drones from gas but keep spending your larva on drones. Your scouting drone should look out for the exact timing the first 6 lings are moving out.
Pull all drones in time, so you can fight the first wave of lings OFF creep (on top of your ramp). Its important you time this out well as you will want to keep mining as long as possible, to be able to afford a round of lings.
Spread your drones a little in order to get a good sourround (you dont want to engange in a limbo line) and just attack move. Your ~17 drones will easily crush his 6 lings.
If he builds a spine, attack with a few drones (3-4) and keep chasing the lings with the rest of the drones. Build 6 lings as soon as your pool is done.
I disagree - I cut drones at 15 to have 3 larvae by the time your pool finishes (cut the OL).
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The most common mistake I see is people trying to engage in the mineral line. DON'T do that. You will fight 3ish drones vs 3ish zerrglings and you will lose most, if not all of your workers. Even if you surround him(and rly, if you get your lings surrounded when 6pooling you deserve to lose, there isn't really much else to be looking at...) he can just take a few steps back and avoid that easily. A much better way of engageing is to fight him in the open. Pull ALL your drones and it should be 14-15 drones vs 6 zerglings. When his reinforcements arives your pool should be complete or at least close to be complete. with your won lings + queen you can simply overproduce him.
btw, if you opened gas, make sure you take your drones off gas the second you see him 6pool. If you gathered enough for speed you should prolly delay it a bit. Once you survive it's more or less GG anyways!
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On October 11 2011 04:39 Avril_Lavigne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 04:35 TheLastGoose wrote:On October 11 2011 03:51 ThyHate wrote:
So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance.. no offense but if you can't hold off a 6 pool with a 13g 14 pool that's quite bad. i seriously think your micro is far below average if you aren't able to hold this type of aggression off, after all it's only 6 lings and you have 14ish drones... maybe you should try giving him some micro tips rather than bashing on how below average he is
ok, do this build instead, it rapes 6 pool, and almost any other zerg fast aggro opener out there. drone til 10, double extractor trick, 2 more drones, cancel 1 gas, save for pool, 3 in gas til 88 gas, pull drones 1 at a time so u get 100 gas, get ling speed, 3 sets of lings, then a queen, then an ovie, then more lings if they are constant ling aggro, if you can't stop a 6 pool with this build i don't know what to say.
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On October 11 2011 04:51 Lazermonkey wrote:
The most common mistake I see is people trying to engage in the mineral line. DON'T do that. You will fight 3ish drones vs 3ish zerrglings and you will lose most, if not all of your workers. Even if you surround him(and rly, if you get your lings surrounded when 6pooling you deserve to lose, there isn't really much else to be looking at...) he can just take a few steps back and avoid that easily. A much better way of engageing is to fight him in the open. Pull ALL your drones and it should be 14-15 drones vs 6 zerglings. When his reinforcements arives your pool should be complete or at least close to be complete. with your won lings + queen you can simply overproduce him.
btw, if you opened gas, make sure you take your drones off gas the second you see him 6pool. If you gathered enough for speed you should prolly delay it a bit. Once you survive it's more or less GG anyways!
Engaging in the mineral line is most optimal, most of the time. You simply try to mine as much as possible, and when he comes close, tell them to mine the furthest away patch, when they run to you, click the closest patch, if he tries to attack, then attack with insta-surround. If not, then you're buying time and it's better than in the open, and you can sneak extra mining in.
On October 11 2011 04:54 TheLastGoose wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2011 04:39 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On October 11 2011 04:35 TheLastGoose wrote:On October 11 2011 03:51 ThyHate wrote:
So yeah, everyone right now is facepalming thinking "not this thread again"
But I DID read most of the thread about it. I tried all the advices, I tried fighting with drones with mineral patch micro / running until the lings arrive / building spines.
Whether it's with drones pulled + 1 spine, or no drones + 2 spines, or no drones nor spine, I just lose.
All I am asking is a replay of someone defending it, when the 6 pool was scouted very late.
because all the replays I find right now either don't work anymore, or the 6 pool is scooted very early.
(I always 13gas 14pool , I'm diamond rank1 playing masters)
Thanks in advance.. no offense but if you can't hold off a 6 pool with a 13g 14 pool that's quite bad. i seriously think your micro is far below average if you aren't able to hold this type of aggression off, after all it's only 6 lings and you have 14ish drones... maybe you should try giving him some micro tips rather than bashing on how below average he is ok, do this build instead, it rapes 6 pool, and almost any other zerg fast aggro opener out there. drone til 10, double extractor trick, 2 more drones, cancel 1 gas, save for pool, 3 in gas til 88 gas, pull drones 1 at a time so u get 100 gas, get ling speed, 3 sets of lings, then a queen, then an ovie, then more lings if they are constant ling aggro, if you can't stop a 6 pool with this build i don't know what to say.
This build is god awful. Don't use it. Sure, it beats 6pool, but you might as well advise someone to merely go 10pool every game. At least that way they'll solidly beat 6pools and hatch first.
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... I don't even understand what you're trying to do here OP.
If you're a total noob and don't know anything about defending vs. 6 pool, then a [Q] thread is appropriate, but as you've stated, you've read every other advice thread on 6 pool defense so I don't understand why you're looking for a repetition of the same advice?
A [H] thread with replay would be needed, we're not mind readers here because you're obviously doing something wrong but don't even know what that is yourself.
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I have played a lot of zerg offrace and never felt like playing ZvZ, which is why I 6pooled with all drones or 7pooled every single game in zvz on ladder. There was a trend in the games I lost.
How to autowin 6 or 7pools (doesn't work vs 9pool) with 13/14 or 14/14:
1. Grab all your drones, run them outside of your base (click mineral of a base far away)
2. Wait until you have a lot of lings, send drones back, rape him
Make sure you don't lose the lings that just popped.
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On October 11 2011 04:24 oZe wrote:
I defeated a master 6 pooling when I 14 14'nd and I am only gold. Don't have replay. In essence what I do is move command pull back/surround depending on what he does, when queen and a few lings pop SAFE. He usually mineral far right or left if lings follow go other side and attack when you have surround. I heard some top pro say never fight in mineral line so I just dont.
Check Idras stream if you must have replay.
Thanks but I don't really understand what you're saying : /
drone drill, click all drones on to mineral patch far from where lings are coming, when they're all on, click mine on opposite mineral patch and right as they're moving towards lings attack move to surround as your first 4 lings are coming out, invest in some more lings because he all ined
Alright so I should wait for my lings before doing this ? If so, how do I preserve my drones until they arrive ? Usually, the lings arrive in my base right as my pool finishes.
do they continue the lings or just the initial 6?
I lose to everything really, but usually more lings are coming
As soon as you see the 6 pool, pull drones from gas but keep spending your larva on drones. Your scouting drone should look out for the exact timing the first 6 lings are moving out.
Pull all drones in time, so you can fight the first wave of lings OFF creep (on top of your ramp). Its important you time this out well as you will want to keep mining as long as possible, to be able to afford a round of lings.
Spread your drones a little in order to get a good sourround (you dont want to engange in a limbo line) and just attack move. Your ~17 drones will easily crush his 6 lings.
If he builds a spine, attack with a few drones (3-4) and keep chasing the lings with the rest of the drones. Build 6 lings as soon as your pool is done..
Intercepting on top of the ramp, Interesting. Thanks for the advice.
I've lost to a 6pool with 14/14 which should actually be stronger vs 6pool than 13/14 (which isn't even a good build imo). I was a GM zerg last season, currently playing on a Random acct this season in rank 1 masters. To say "that's quite bad" is a bunch of bullshit. It happens. It's map dependent. You might get outmacroed by lings. The spine may get up. He may have pulled all 6 drones.
this is offtopic but my ZvZ opening is 13gas / 14 pool so I can start ling speed exactly when the pool is finished, and then mine 50 more gas, build a baneling nest and let 2 drones in gas. Full lings + baneling agression and expand after 1 or 2 rounds of lings.
The most common mistake I see is people trying to engage in the mineral line. DON'T do that. You will fight 3ish drones vs 3ish zerrglings and you will lose most, if not all of your workers. Even if you surround him(and rly, if you get your lings surrounded when 6pooling you deserve to lose, there isn't really much else to be looking at...) he can just take a few steps back and avoid that easily. A much better way of engageing is to fight him in the open. Pull ALL your drones and it should be 14-15 drones vs 6 zerglings. When his reinforcements arives your pool should be complete or at least close to be complete. with your won lings + queen you can simply overproduce him.
btw, if you opened gas, make sure you take your drones off gas the second you see him 6pool. If you gathered enough for speed you should prolly delay it a bit. Once you survive it's more or less GG anyways!
Ok great. I should not build any spines then ?
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scouting in zvz is pretty fun, as you can expect overlords to meet in the middle, if no ovi is there its another start posi no reason to scout it (of course the other zerg can trick you, but thats hurting themself aswell.)
So even on taldarim its pretty easy to determine the start position fairly easy.
As for the 6 pool, first of all a replay would help to sort out mistakes done by the op. spines shouldn't really be necessary against a 6 pool, whats important is to have the 3 larva and 150 (or 300 to get the queen also).
The important thing is that all drones should attack the lings, if thats not the case do a mineral slide. But time is on your side, you don't even have to engage just wait till your lings are out and let them guard the mineral lines. (doing so lets the other one come back though, if they started drone production after 6 lings)
If you want to engage with your drones, put them on a shortcut, select the damage ones and pull them off to mining. (you can also make sure they all have minerals so you just have to select the group select the drone getting damage and press return ressources)
PS: more fun is if you 6 pool and take some drones with you, if you noticed a blind spot of the opponent on the creep, you can sneak 1 spine crawler up on their creep, wait till the lings and other drones arrive and build one more. And hey i played human in wc3 i am allowed to love towerrushs.
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On October 11 2011 05:05 ThyHate wrote:Show nested quote +
I've lost to a 6pool with 14/14 which should actually be stronger vs 6pool than 13/14 (which isn't even a good build imo). I was a GM zerg last season, currently playing on a Random acct this season in rank 1 masters. To say "that's quite bad" is a bunch of bullshit. It happens. It's map dependent. You might get outmacroed by lings. The spine may get up. He may have pulled all 6 drones.
this is offtopic but my ZvZ opening is 13gas / 14 pool so I can start ling speed exactly when the pool is finished, and then mine 50 more gas, build a baneling nest and let 2 drones in gas. Full lings + baneling agression and expand after 1 or 2 rounds of lings.
You're doing something wrong. 14/14 gives you ling speed the second the pool is finished, not 13/14, which should give you an excess of 100 (slightly). Also, with this build, if you keep three drones on gas to build a baneling nest you should actually hit 50 gas before getting 100 minerals, assuming you built pure lings since along with a queen.
In short, your build is not optimal for what you're trying to accomplish. I suggest switching to 14/14, and this is coming from a former GM zerg who goes 14/14 into banes in about ~50% of my ZvZ.
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Okay I got an experimental idea. Hear this out. Lings enter your base, and crawler gets thrown down--shit. Drone drill all your workers out. He responds correctly by killing your pool. When your pool finishes make as many lings as you can and a queen if you can afford it. If pool is about to die, engage as it dies, use workers, lings, and broodlings to clean up. If you can clean up i think your ahead: drone up and drop a pool when you can. Just an idea. ^o^
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ThyHate, are you making sure to reposition your initial 2 overlords? Like your second overlord should be able to spot lings coming across the map if it is an early pool and you should be able to prepare to mineral walk with your drones to get up a spine or something, just be confident in yourself and don't lose too many drones early on, you have the advantage the longer the fight goes without either side losing or gaining an edge because you have more drones than he does.
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On October 11 2011 06:35 FullAccess wrote:
Okay I got an experimental idea. Hear this out. Lings enter your base, and crawler gets thrown down--shit. Drone drill all your workers out. He responds correctly by killing your pool. When your pool finishes make as many lings as you can and a queen if you can afford it. If pool is about to die, engage as it dies, use workers, lings, and broodlings to clean up. If you can clean up i think your ahead: drone up and drop a pool when you can. Just an idea. ^o^
lolwut. You'd be so insanely far behind.
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The six pool is pretty easy. If it is just six zerglings, he is doing a retard check and a-moving your workers is a good idea. Mineral walking can be tricky and even pros occasionally mess it up and have their workers facing a literal wall of zerglings. A spine crawler in your mineral line helps with more potent methods. If he is trying to set up a spine crawler in your base, pull workers and kill both it and the drone, no matter what. That thing is a severe liability. One of the most important parts, though, is spreading your overlords. By the time those lings reach your base, it should be no surprise. You can even see how all-in it is and throw down spines accordingly.
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