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naventus
United States1339 Posts
P 1base plays hit between 7:10-7:30, so if you are arriving between 6-7m, you won't have time to react and the game will be over. Otherwise, 1st reaper can most likely confirm no expo at 5m if you hug outside routes. But no expo should be obvious already because of 1gas. So I'm just trying to figure out how you survive any 1 base plays other than sentry contain. 1. VR + pylon 2. Elevator 3. Blink allin | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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obidan
Romania48 Posts
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
I like this build, with the recent trend in 1 base all-ins by Protoss it can be a bit risky and scary early on, but Speed Reapers are fun as hell, thanks for the guide, bookmarked! | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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Yoddy
Germany20 Posts
You were back in Supply & Economy (!) in both games, but you played great after and denied @ game 1 the 3rd of the P with great drops n @ game 2 dunno, the P wasted colussos n you reacted rly nice with your viking / midivac play, gj ! I like Reapers, but i dont know bout this build..i feel like you only rly should do this against sentry fe .. Seems weak, but fun ! ( @ game 2 you atked nice with your 4 reapers at the same time  ) | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
mid to late will only be used if the enemy decide to leave their base ? i think this should be viable in other MU also why would u think this only works in TvP | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
Which is why i chose TvP because of the small amount of units toss has early game and that the stalkers (although great at taking reapers damage) take a while to actually kill the reapers. | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Yoddy
Germany20 Posts
On September 09 2011 23:36 Kiri wrote: Well Vertical in TvZ the queen is always in the main base and at 6 minutes the zerg usually already has speedlings. There is a small probability that you will actually pull off enough dmg to pay for the reapers (even with speed the reapers are still slower than speedlings). In TvT yes its still viable but there are so many other things to worry about in a mirror match up such as that, and reapers just cant really hold a tank push/banshee harass/hellion drop(usually 4 hellions beat 4 reapers with splash). Which is why i chose TvP because of the small amount of units toss has early game and that the stalkers (although great at taking reapers damage) take a while to actually kill the reapers. I had some thoughts about Reapers in TvT , isnt there a timing before the first tank comes? Could you delay the first tank somehow ? Would you do ennough dmg , so when the tank comes you are ahead? If there is a timing-window this would be sick ! I mean, if the T doesnt go for a Marauder, he will surely have some problems with 4v4 Reaper - Marine i mean. ( I am not sure if this works with Nitro pack ) . | ||
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Crytch
Germany135 Posts
TvP isnt my best MU, so i always try to search new openings, but this looks.... not realy solid. Dont missunderstood me, i love to use reaper, and i love to use reaper in TvP, but i think every early pressure of protoss will knock you out. Even with a bunker and 4 marines in it he will just rush in your base and overkill. Your 4 reapers wont be able to help at all, so you try to coutnergo with your reapers, but he warp in 1 or 2 stalker and gg. Or am i wrong? | ||
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Crytch
Germany135 Posts
As you said, you arent behind in tech and can transition in everything you want. Like it, will train it some more. ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-230742.jpg) /edit: Ah, and was supplyblocked at 3/4 reapers on 27..... -.-' So i gone with 5 reapers :D Should write down the exact buildorder, my feeling isnt that exact. :-/ /edit#2: Got another protoss, so i tried it again. Here is the replay. This time i wasnt that early supplyblocked, and my reapers lived lil bit longer. ^_^ Replay: ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-230747.jpg) /another edit: In both games this nasty protossplayer stole my second gas before i was able to grab it, it didnt delayed that much, but kinda sucked -.-' /edit #125463: My next laddergame was against a terran, and cause i was bored cause of TvT i tried your TvP build against this terran, and wonder, it worked. :D :D ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-230753.jpg) Very funny build, love it ♥ Thx for sharing. | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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XstRAYerX84
United States2 Posts
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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XstRAYerX84
United States2 Posts
I've seen this one replay with reapers going against protoss, Terran got 12 reapers and demolished all life forms of protoss' base which got his panties in a bundle with no where to go. YOU SHOULD TAKE 2 EXPANSIONS TO MAKE SURE!!! NONETHELESS, YOU SUCK AT MAKING REPLAYS AND STRATEGY FORUMS, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS JERK!! | ||
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CDMVR
United States92 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:28 XstRAYerX84 wrote: Your replay is one-sided, showing a reaper opening against protoss FE is not enough!! you need to provide multiple replays with other builds that protoss might have against terran. you have no idea what protoss might throw at you, like a 3 or 4 gate pressure into expand, DT and blink tech. I've seen this one replay with reapers going against protoss, Terran got 12 reapers and demolished all life forms of protoss' base which got his panties in a bundle with no where to go. YOU SHOULD TAKE 2 EXPANSIONS TO MAKE SURE!!! NONETHELESS, YOU SUCK AT MAKING REPLAYS AND STRATEGY FORUMS, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS JERK!! Why are you attacking this guy for making a potential TvP strat? He has his reasonings, logic, build order, and even some replays to go with it. If you don't like it, just don't use it but no need to go telling him he's a jerk. | ||
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LtLolburger
New Zealand365 Posts
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Crytch
Germany135 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:28 XstRAYerX84 wrote: Your replay is one-sided, showing a reaper opening against protoss FE is not enough!! you need to provide multiple replays with other builds that protoss might have against terran. you have no idea what protoss might throw at you, like a 3 or 4 gate pressure into expand, DT and blink tech. I've seen this one replay with reapers going against protoss, Terran got 12 reapers and demolished all life forms of protoss' base which got his panties in a bundle with no where to go. YOU SHOULD TAKE 2 EXPANSIONS TO MAKE SURE!!! NONETHELESS, YOU SUCK AT MAKING REPLAYS AND STRATEGY FORUMS, DON'T LISTEN TO THIS JERK!! CAptain Capslock is on the bridge... you know what parents tell to their kindergarden-kids? Whoever scream in a conversation is wrong, lying or both just to conceal that he has no arguments. You flame him for his Opening? Hes trying something new? I bet you tried it once, failed hard and now your angry and search the culprit but dont see that it was your fault cause you just sucks? Crytch failed twice on TvT, so this opening is only good for TvP build against terran????! I dont understand the sense of this?! Yeah, i tried this TvP-Opening against a terran player, what is nosense, but i was bored of the TvT metagame as i wrote before, so why you fucking care how i play my TvT's? I dont said that this opening WORKS WELL against other Terrans, i just wanted to share this game with you (the liquidpedia-reader) cause i wondered myself cause i won with that funny shit. And btw. why i failed? Twice? I tried it one time against Terran, and two times against Protoss and all my games i won. So why you said i or the opening failed? If YOU cant handle with it gtfo and troll another thread, this isnt the right place for little kids without arguments which are capslocking and flaming around like lil fa***. | ||
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