[G] Kiri's Nitro Reaper/Fe/MMM - TvP - Page 3

naventus

United States1337 Posts

September 09 2011 04:47 GMT

#41

Can't look at replays right now, can someone tell me what the timing is when you arrive at P base? As a side note can people start including their timings in their posts instead of food counts. There's an excellently precise way to evaluate the game, and people are still using the dated BW food count style.

P 1base plays hit between 7:10-7:30, so if you are arriving between 6-7m, you won't have time to react and the game will be over. Otherwise, 1st reaper can most likely confirm no expo at 5m if you hug outside routes. But no expo should be obvious already because of 1gas.

So I'm just trying to figure out how you survive any 1 base plays other than sentry contain.

1. VR + pylon
2. Elevator
3. Blink allin

Kiri

United States84 Posts

September 09 2011 05:11 GMT

#42

You hit at 6m and also you scout if the protoss is on one base or not with a scan, if he is then you build additional bunkers and just pump out units rather than production facilities

obidan

Romania48 Posts

September 09 2011 07:26 GMT

#43

This just adds to the possibility of builds terrans can do, completely demolishes any 1gate FE that tried to be safe against 2rax MM ( kills every sentry) . It's a nice build, and adds on the possibility of play terrans can do.

Mobius_1

United Kingdom2763 Posts

September 09 2011 11:51 GMT

#44

I hit a Protoss going one base Void Ray Stalker all in (Gold KR) and luckily I messed up the build and ended up with a reactor rax instead of a CC and scared him off while my 4 Speed Reapers killed all his Probes and sniped a few Artosis Pylons.

I like this build, with the recent trend in 1 base all-ins by Protoss it can be a bit risky and scary early on, but Speed Reapers are fun as hell, thanks for the guide, bookmarked!

Kiri

United States84 Posts

September 09 2011 12:02 GMT

#45

No problem man! Reapers definitely need to be utilized more often ^^ (but actually it might be better so protoss dont get used to dealing with them)

Yoddy

Germany20 Posts

September 09 2011 13:04 GMT

#46

I looked at the 2 Replays and hmh.. i dont know...

You were back in Supply & Economy (!) in both games, but you played great after and

denied @ game 1 the 3rd of the P with great drops

n @ game 2 dunno, the P wasted colussos n you reacted rly nice with your viking / midivac play, gj !

I like Reapers, but i dont know bout this build..i feel like you only rly should do this against sentry fe ..

Seems weak, but fun ! ( @ game 2 you atked nice with your 4 reapers at the same time

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Vertical

Indonesia4317 Posts

September 09 2011 14:27 GMT

#47

so the reaper will mainly do the damage early game ?
mid to late will only be used if the enemy decide to leave their base ?

i think this should be viable in other MU also
why would u think this only works in TvP

Kiri

United States84 Posts

September 09 2011 14:36 GMT

#48

Well Vertical in TvZ the queen is always in the main base and at 6 minutes the zerg usually already has speedlings. There is a small probability that you will actually pull off enough dmg to pay for the reapers (even with speed the reapers are still slower than speedlings). In TvT yes its still viable but there are so many other things to worry about in a mirror match up such as that, and reapers just cant really hold a tank push/banshee harass/hellion drop(usually 4 hellions beat 4 reapers with splash).

Which is why i chose TvP because of the small amount of units toss has early game and that the stalkers (although great at taking reapers damage) take a while to actually kill the reapers.

Sated

England4983 Posts

September 09 2011 15:52 GMT

#49

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Catch]22

Sweden2683 Posts

September 09 2011 15:56 GMT

#50

Awww man, dont do this to me, I dont want to have even more awesome T builds pop up and ruin my switch to Z...

Yoddy

Germany20 Posts

September 09 2011 18:02 GMT

#51

On September 09 2011 23:36 Kiri wrote:
Well Vertical in TvZ the queen is always in the main base and at 6 minutes the zerg usually already has speedlings. There is a small probability that you will actually pull off enough dmg to pay for the reapers (even with speed the reapers are still slower than speedlings). In TvT yes its still viable but there are so many other things to worry about in a mirror match up such as that, and reapers just cant really hold a tank push/banshee harass/hellion drop(usually 4 hellions beat 4 reapers with splash).

Which is why i chose TvP because of the small amount of units toss has early game and that the stalkers (although great at taking reapers damage) take a while to actually kill the reapers.

I had some thoughts about Reapers in TvT , isnt there a timing before the first tank comes? Could you delay the first tank somehow ? Would you do ennough dmg , so when the tank comes you are ahead?

If there is a timing-window this would be sick ! I mean, if the T doesnt go for a Marauder, he will surely have some problems with 4v4 Reaper - Marine i mean. ( I am not sure if this works with Nitro pack ) .

Crytch

Germany135 Posts

September 09 2011 18:54 GMT

#52

Like it, will definetly try.
TvP isnt my best MU, so i always try to search new openings, but this looks.... not realy solid.

Dont missunderstood me, i love to use reaper, and i love to use reaper in TvP, but i think every early pressure of protoss will knock you out. Even with a bunker and 4 marines in it he will just rush in your base and overkill.

Your 4 reapers wont be able to help at all, so you try to coutnergo with your reapers, but he warp in 1 or 2 stalker and gg.

Or am i wrong?

Crytch

Germany135 Posts

September 09 2011 20:48 GMT

#53

Tried it in ladder on Xelnaga and kinda failed with my reaper, just got 6 workers and some zealots or smt like that cause of a missclick, but a good opening imo.
As you said, you arent behind in tech and can transition in everything you want. Like it, will train it some more.

/edit: Ah, and was supplyblocked at 3/4 reapers on 27..... -.-'
So i gone with 5 reapers :D
Should write down the exact buildorder, my feeling isnt that exact. :-/

/edit#2: Got another protoss, so i tried it again. Here is the replay. This time i wasnt that early supplyblocked, and my reapers lived lil bit longer. ^_^

Replay:

/another edit: In both games this nasty protossplayer stole my second gas before i was able to grab it, it didnt delayed that much, but kinda sucked -.-'

/edit #125463: My next laddergame was against a terran, and cause i was bored cause of TvT i tried your TvP build against this terran, and wonder, it worked. :D :D

Very funny build, love it ♥
Thx for sharing.

Kiri

United States84 Posts

September 10 2011 00:10 GMT

#54

Haha, very nice man gj. But remember to build the 2nd barracks near the factory, because you're swapping it onto the tech lab that you make from the factory

XstRAYerX84

United States2 Posts

September 10 2011 00:18 GMT

#55

This is very unreliable source, how do we know that your not coping these strategies from someone else? I have seen this before, I have tried it, and it doesn't work, you need to cite your sources dude, seriously, this opening is not solid whatsoever. Crytch failed twice on TvT, so this opening is only good for TvP build against terran????!

Kiri

United States84 Posts

September 10 2011 00:26 GMT

#56

There are no sources other than my own replays (unless someone perhaps did something similar i wouldn't know). I took hours and hours just refining and practicing this build on ladder and in customs with friends. If you've tried it and it doesn't work for you then maybe you're just doing it wrong?? There are alot of people that have done it with success. Gl and i hope you get better at the build so you can enjoy using reapers more often

XstRAYerX84

United States2 Posts

September 10 2011 00:28 GMT

#57

Your replay is one-sided, showing a reaper opening against protoss FE is not enough!! you need to provide multiple replays with other builds that protoss might have against terran. you have no idea what protoss might throw at you, like a 3 or 4 gate pressure into expand, DT and blink tech.

I've seen this one replay with reapers going against protoss, Terran got 12 reapers and demolished all life forms of protoss' base which got his panties in a bundle with no where to go. YOU SHOULD
TAKE 2 EXPANSIONS TO MAKE SURE!!!

NONETHELESS, YOU SUCK AT MAKING REPLAYS AND STRATEGY FORUMS, DON'T LISTEN
TO THIS JERK!!

CDMVR

United States92 Posts

September 10 2011 00:54 GMT

#58

On September 10 2011 09:28 XstRAYerX84 wrote:
Your replay is one-sided, showing a reaper opening against protoss FE is not enough!! you need to provide multiple replays with other builds that protoss might have against terran. you have no idea what protoss might throw at you, like a 3 or 4 gate pressure into expand, DT and blink tech.

I've seen this one replay with reapers going against protoss, Terran got 12 reapers and demolished all life forms of protoss' base which got his panties in a bundle with no where to go. YOU SHOULD
TAKE 2 EXPANSIONS TO MAKE SURE!!!

NONETHELESS, YOU SUCK AT MAKING REPLAYS AND STRATEGY FORUMS, DON'T LISTEN
TO THIS JERK!!

Why are you attacking this guy for making a potential TvP strat? He has his reasonings, logic, build order, and even some replays to go with it.

If you don't like it, just don't use it but no need to go telling him he's a jerk.

LtLolburger

New Zealand365 Posts

September 10 2011 01:04 GMT

#59

I would even go as far as to show the factory building to the scouting probe, make the toss think its a 1-1-1 or mech build. Otherwise, seeing the tech lab on the rax, the toss could go for a 3-gate pressure which would give you huge problems as you don't have the DPS against a mixed gateway army from busting you. Otherwise, its a decent build and really punishes toss who don't scout and have poor minimap awareness.

Crytch

Germany135 Posts

September 10 2011 11:47 GMT

#60

CAptain Capslock is on the bridge... you know what parents tell to their kindergarden-kids? Whoever scream in a conversation is wrong, lying or both just to conceal that he has no arguments. You flame him for his Opening? Hes trying something new? I bet you tried it once, failed hard and now your angry and search the culprit but dont see that it was your fault cause you just sucks?

Crytch failed twice on TvT, so this opening is only good for TvP build against terran????!

I dont understand the sense of this?!
Yeah, i tried this TvP-Opening against a terran player, what is nosense, but i was bored of the TvT metagame as i wrote before, so why you fucking care how i play my TvT's? I dont said that this opening WORKS WELL against other Terrans, i just wanted to share this game with you (the liquidpedia-reader) cause i wondered myself cause i won with that funny shit.

And btw. why i failed? Twice? I tried it one time against Terran, and two times against Protoss and all my games i won. So why you said i or the opening failed?
If YOU cant handle with it gtfo and troll another thread, this isnt the right place for little kids without arguments which are capslocking and flaming around like lil fa***.

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