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I think if this guy build his stargate proxy he won. Think i won cause i was able to snipe the pylon which powered his stargate and one of his gates.
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Crytch
Germany135 Posts
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
On September 11 2011 02:45 Crytch wrote: Did another one in ladder, and i faced a protoss who opened/allined with a vr/3gate. Enjoy + Show Spoiler + I think if this guy build his stargate proxy he won. Think i won cause i was able to snipe the pylon which powered his stargate and one of his gates. This guy just locked himself real hard on that all-in. He had no follow up plan. He was floating 700 minerals around the 10 min mark for a good couple of minutes. He could easily have expanded while still tried to do pressure, and he was up 27 harvesters to 14. Nice defence though  Seems like a very good build, but still it would die to void ray all-in, blink and 4 gate with sentrys would contain for a really long time. But build still seems good. Every build has weaknesses. GJ | ||
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Crytch
Germany135 Posts
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
When 4 gate hits you dont really have many units back home with this build though. I dont see how you can hold, and yeah, you can take out his eco, but that doesnt matter if he is all up in your face/base;p Now, I understand this build is not meant against a 4 gate at all, and with the general opener it seems pretty safe if you do some scouting and dont commit to the reapers. You can potentially have very early medivacs, so sentry contain wouldnt be good at all. I take that back ^^ | ||
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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Jayrod
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
In the build i stated that i may not have macro'd perfectly but the overall opening/transition itself is definitely solid. Idk if you understand this but... if the worker count is even then Terran is ahead. Also how is the protoss going to see them? You wall off to deny scouting and also they go out before an observer comes (unless he goes 1 gate robo, in which you can scout it with your scv and transition into something else. ALSO this build is a fast expansion build, you dont NEED to do damage in order to not be behind. You just need to do a little damage to pay for the reapers (4 reapers arent that much.. about 2 sentries and a zealot). It all depends on how you transition and go along with the game. I never said this is an automatic win build | ||
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Marooned
Norway161 Posts
On September 11 2011 11:04 Jayrod wrote: This is actually a really bad build. In each of your replays you put yourself behind be 15+ food, 30 food in the first one I watched. You got no advantage at all from the reapers... you dont execute the build even close to similar in each game other than the reapers. All you had to say to give TL the value of this "guide" was say reapers are pretty good with nitro packs if your opponent doesn't know theyre coming... and even then you'd need to come up with some replays that actually show this. Sorry for being harsh but I can't describe the disappointment I felt going from reading the prospect of a solid reaper opening and then seeing the replays you provide to display it. Of course you get behind in food. You build reapers, they take a ton of time to build... And you dont need to do game-ending damage with your reapers. After testing this 7-8 games my observation is 1. it dies real hard to stalker zealot 4 gate (bad scouting on my part) 2. against fe builds it seems very strong. The real charm is that you get a reasonable fast expo and still a lot of tech. I have gone 3 rax, reactor starport as a direct follow up, and early drops. Most of the games I have done about 4-5 probes and a pylons worth of damage with the reapers(not exactly huge). But if you keep your reapers alive they are kind of stuck in their base for a while. This is the really nice part, giving you time to start to get production rolling. | ||
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Jecktor
United States41 Posts
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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bananaman533
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
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Warzilla
Czech Republic311 Posts
Nice write up matie! | ||
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leecx
Singapore41 Posts
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Kiri
United States84 Posts
leecx, remember i said you have to scout =/. Leave an scv at the protoss natural to check for expansions. If there are none then you're going to have to get ready for for an all in push. I also mentioned before you need to throw down bunkers and barracks at your wall off on the ramp. 4 gates are actually pretty easy to hold with bunkers and scvs to repair. If hes really doing a giant all in 4 gate and being heavily behind in econ you can just put the reapers into a bunker because the economic damage has already been done | ||
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Vlare
748 Posts
Hope it works for you though ^_^ | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Most people just don't expect it. Also Kiri is a Boss you guys should check out his stream. As a Diamond Zerg i can never beat him because he is that much of a Boss. I was just telling him to use this Build against Protoss (And I didn't even know he made a thread about it) Because i remember he used to do this kind of stuff in our Team Games... Lol GG ! | ||
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Jecktor
United States41 Posts
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Gen_Syntax
25 Posts
On September 09 2011 02:45 yagsllab wrote: hi im a bronze lague T i would not build reapers in pvt because stalkers kill them in 4 hits and reapers take longer to kill them. in pvt i make many marines and marauders because voidrays are very good. sometimes i build battlecruisers in lategame but only if my metagame was good enough. sry for my bad english hope i could help Is it me or is yagsllab actually ballsgay backwards? lol...anyway love the build, I'm not terran but I'm happy that nitropacks are used... | ||
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