EPTpinky hold shift
index press E
thumb to alt
ring finger to Q
left click
middle to W
left click
index to D
Edit: also what is NXWT? the "1" camera key
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Northern_iight
Canada363 Posts
pinky hold shift index press E thumb to alt ring finger to Q left click middle to W left click index to D Edit: also what is NXWT? the "1" camera key | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
Pinkie to shift and thumb to alt, only press and hold shift. Index press e. Press and hold alt. Ring to Q. Left Click Middle to W. Left click. Index to D. You mostly have it right, but getting your thumb on alt before you begin the process makes for a more comfortable hand position. It is a bit awkward at first. | ||
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
4 - nexus 3 - Robo/stargate 5 - Gate/warpgates I cant use those delicious mouse buttons since i've mouse which doesnt have any of those. I personally find this pretty good, but will it fuck up the whole great system u've developed? | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
- JaKaTaK and I are joining forces. During a 5 hour call today, we made a breakthrough in keyboard layout efficiency. If you guys like Darkgrid, feel free to stick with it, it's a fantastic layout. We won't even publish the new one if it doesn't turn out better. ...but if it does turn out like it's looking to, I don't think I could ever play Darkgrid 1.3 again. This is as big an improvement as Layered cameras were. The bad news: the layout works very different in half the places, which is why I can believe many won't want to switch again. For those who might, for some masochistic reason, want to help us test the layout and refine it, shoot me a PM. Now, off to engineer some more! | ||
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Smat
United States301 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
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Northern_iight
Canada363 Posts
I experimented for about 4 hours with this layout today and I have mix feelings. The traditional "1-5" control groups is too ingrained in my muscle memory. I also don't see the need to change attack move from "a" to "q". I might try again sometime soon with my own twist to it. I definitely took some hotkey changes from darkgrid to my set up. I'll be looking forward to your project with jakatak! | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
Attack is on Q since that's where your fingers rest (QWEF). It takes 25-45 milliseconds to press a key under the finger, and 190-250 so press a key one row above, that's 5-10x as long. If I didn't put the most frequently used and time-sensitive keys right under the finger, I'd be doing a poor job of making the best layout.  | ||
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
Played over 1000 games with standard keys and just a week ago started to learn this new one. Change was easy, ofc muscle memory is pain in the ass, but this darkgrid layout makes so much sense that it was pretty easy to adapt, took like 50 games against AI and im good to ladder again. I just hope when u guys release the new layout, u will stick to it completely, do some minor tweaks here and there and so on. Thank you for this great layout, I cant even thank you enough how much better my left wrist feels. | ||
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Sennin
Belgium50 Posts
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Hachrt
United States5 Posts
Hey hey! You don't need to bind you mouse buttons to O and P! The hotkey customizer in sc2 recognizes the 4th and 5th mouse buttons!! I realize this, but I play several games that either don't recognize either extra mouse button or that only recognize the 4th mouse button. It's simpler to keep it consistent between games I think.Hi, I use my thumb, but I also use the fingertip grip so it works out for me. Sorry I can't really offer much help.Please can somebody tell me at least which fingers do you use for mouse buttons 3 and 4 ? I find the thumb very uncomfortable with the way i hold my mouse. Thanks | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
On May 05 2012 17:56 kORALIE wrote: Im a bit sad that you guys are working on a new layout, if it has huge changes to darkgrid it is kind of hard (not so hard) to switch over again. Played over 1000 games with standard keys and just a week ago started to learn this new one. Change was easy, ofc muscle memory is pain in the ass, but this darkgrid layout makes so much sense that it was pretty easy to adapt, took like 50 games against AI and im good to ladder again. I just hope when u guys release the new layout, u will stick to it completely, do some minor tweaks here and there and so on. Thank you for this great layout, I cant even thank you enough how much better my left wrist feels. You're welcome! Yeah, it sucks to switch to Darkgrid only to learn that a different one is on the way. We told everyone as fast as we could, to try to save the people just thinking of switching. As far as sticking with a layout, my goal has always been to make the best layout you can on a keyboard. If we discover a new way to up the efficiency as drastically as we have again, I'll make a new layout. The good news is, the old layout are still WAAAY better than standard or grid, so those who don't want to switch, don't have to. That said, I will be providing legacy support for those who stay on Dakgrid, releasing version for HotS and a LotV, and updates if any big metagame shifts make it less efficient. There are some keyboards out there that just won't allow for the new layout to work, and for them, Darkgrid is great. | ||
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JackDT
724 Posts
On May 06 2012 03:18 FoxyMayhem wrote: You're welcome! Yeah, it sucks to switch to Darkgrid only to learn that a different one is on the way. We told everyone as fast as we could, to try to save the people just thinking of switching. As far as sticking with a layout, my goal has always been to make the best layout you can on a keyboard. If we discover a new way to up the efficiency as drastically as we have again, I'll make a new layout. The good news is, the old layout are still WAAAY better than standard or grid, so those who don't want to switch, don't have to. That said, I will be providing legacy support for those who stay on Dakgrid, releasing version for HotS and a LotV, and updates if any big metagame shifts make it less efficient. There are some keyboards out there that just won't allow for the new layout to work, and for them, Darkgrid is great. Don't let 'backwards compatibility' or tradition hold you back or even have ANY influence over decisions. The whole point of this thing is to completely rethink hotkey standards and build the best. Onward to a new world of efficiency and APM! Why test privately though? As long as you make it clear that everything is subject to change and people may not want to get used to it yet... just post what you've got so far! | ||
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kORALIE
Belgium16 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
kORALIE, that is because the PF attacks, and must have the attack command available. I'm not working on Darkgrid at the moment, though. | ||
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DejmienD
Poland1 Post
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uoeahtns
52 Posts
On May 12 2012 05:24 DejmienD wrote: When a new version becomes available? According to JaKaTaK, the new version will become available in a few days. | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
ASAP. Thanks a ton! (P.S. for all of those who were helping us with key frequencies, we're scanning replays directly now, so just give us your replays. Thanks a ton.) | ||
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Sennin
Belgium50 Posts
silver (am playing gold leaguers though). I do use a AZERTY keyboard so some keys are different, if that's what you're looking for. | ||
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