[G] Darkgrid Layout - Page 18

On February 18 2012 09:24 soLremarK wrote:
Trying it out - top masters Protoss. Everything seems pretty straightforward except getting used to select warp gates. Does anyone have a better / more convenient key than 6?

On February 18 2012 11:40 soLremarK wrote:
hmmm, overall pretty cute idea but I don't think it's worth it, especially for anyone more than a month into the game.

Your average player (Protoss at least) is better off just readjusting standard keys a bit

On February 18 2012 11:40 soLremarK wrote:
hmmm, overall pretty cute idea but I don't think it's worth it, especially for anyone more than a month into the game.

Your average player (Protoss at least) is better off just readjusting standard keys a bit

On February 19 2012 13:13 uoeahtns wrote:
My take on the darkgrid hotkey setup is that there are parts of it that are flat out better than other hotkey setups, but it seems to have been designed to be easy/convenient as opposed to fast. For example, It is much faster to press f1 than alt-q, but alt-q requires less hand movement and is more friendly to a newer player. Another example is building gases, It is much faster to press f-x than f-f, but pressing f-f requires less finger movement.

Also, the idea behind shifting all of the building unit production hotkeys to the left side and using r,t,g,v,and space as hotkeys 1,2,6,7,and 8 was a very interesting concept. I personally have a completely personalized hotkey setup, but many of the ideas came from darkgrid.

On February 19 2012 21:58 NTTemplar wrote:


How is f1 faster than alt-q? alt-q is done in one motion, and is a shorter distance than F1. With many modern gaming keyboards the F keys even got a gap between them and rest of the keys like on my steelseries 7g.

On February 20 2012 01:41 uoeahtns wrote:


I think usage of F1-F8 for location hotkeys will vary between different people. I for one find it much easier to simply extend my middle finger and hit F1 ( People with smaller hands than me will find trouble with this) than it is to bring in my thumb and press two keys instead of one.

On February 22 2012 02:21 NTTemplar wrote:
The motion is simpler, not faster.

It takes a greater amount of practice to be faster with alt+q can F1, true. But after practicing you are doing less motion for the same result, which makes it reverse of what you claimed it to be, making it F1 would be friendly towards newer players, alt+q is less friendly, but with practice faster.

Having long fingers I know pressing Fkeys is easy, but having played piano for many years I know that the less movement, the faster it is, but some less comfortable motions take practice to achieve that benefit from when compared to the easier choices, that at first does better but fails to keep up in the longer run.

On February 22 2012 11:44 uoeahtns wrote:
As a response to the above post, I stand by my statement that different people will be faster with different hotkeys. For me, personally, I credit F1 being faster for me simply due to the way I position my hand on the keyboard. The number hotkeys are at my normal hand position and I reach down to press shortcuts and up to reach the F keys.

I think that you guys are right, less movement is faster, but for me, pressing F1 is less movement that alt-q, although It may not be the case for many others.

However, Pressing something like F6 is much harder than alt-f, and I realize that, but I find F1-F3 more convenient than alt-q-d and I find being able to use the first three base cams more conveniently is more beneficial than the last three.

Just to be sure, I am not saying that alt-q in general is slower than F1, I am just saying that with the way I position my hand on the keyboard F1 is faster than alt-q. I would liken it to the fact that pressing a is faster than pressing p, but not if your hand is on the right side of the keyboard. (Although not as extreme, of course!)

On February 22 2012 08:03 sondrizzle wrote:

I really disagree with you, and I've played piano for a lot of years.

First off, the biggest issue I have is with the whole speed thing. Mostly because speed isn't everything, sure, it might help, but in this case it really is. Furthermore, the amount of reach you have to do to reach the F-keys is a lot for people who aren't that used to long movements. And I think your claim that F1 is faster than Alt+Q is really far out, I know for sure that I can press Alt+Q faster than F1 simply because I do a lot less movement pressing it compared to F1. You are allowed to use more than one finger at all times you know

And the other thing is that when you reach out to press F1 you are putting your hands of the "command keys", moving your entire hand away from the position were the rest of the keys are. And this just comes back to the fact that the motion for pressing F1 requires more movement than pressing Alt+Q.

I don't know what kind of keyboard you use for typing and piano for playing, because I think you are dead on wrong. The difference in speed is minuscule, and I wager that Alt+Q is faster than F1. Furthermore, speed isn't everything. Alt+Q stays true to the whole everything under one hand design that Darkgrid has. The amount of movement required for F1 is more than Alt+Q. All in all, I think the current solution is a lot, lot better than using F1. Mostly because you cannot do the layered base cams the same way on the F1 keys that you can with Alt+#. Sure, maybe you could move 1 & 2 to F1 and F2, but I don't feel it would even be beneficial.

On February 22 2012 11:44 uoeahtns wrote:
As a response to the above post, I stand by my statement that different people will be faster with different hotkeys. For me, personally, I credit F1 being faster for me simply due to the way I position my hand on the keyboard. The number hotkeys are at my normal hand position and I reach down to press shortcuts and up to reach the F keys.

I think that you guys are right, less movement is faster, but for me, pressing F1 is less movement that alt-q, although It may not be the case for many others.

However, Pressing something like F6 is much harder than alt-f, and I realize that, but I find F1-F3 more convenient than alt-q-d and I find being able to use the first three base cams more conveniently is more beneficial than the last three.

Just to be sure, I am not saying that alt-q in general is slower than F1, I am just saying that with the way I position my hand on the keyboard F1 is faster than alt-q. I would liken it to the fact that pressing a is faster than pressing p, but not if your hand is on the right side of the keyboard. (Although not as extreme, of course!)

On February 23 2012 05:33 NTTemplar wrote:
Wait.. what just happened? First I thought you miss quoted me, but then you go on to relate to my piano playing, since the other guy didn't mention piano I can only assume you ment to quote me.. But my entire post means the same as yours, I do not quite understand what you are disagreeing on.

You just said the same as me in only slightly different words.

However I disagree on the difference in speed being minuscule, I believe alt+q got a significant speed advantage over F1, the amount of times the hotkey is used in a normal game easily gains you seconds of time over the other (which is significant, even more so considering how small a thing it is, for such a small thing to gain you seconds in a game is a big deal, hell it is the whole point of an optimized hotkey setup).