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On August 09 2011 16:47 firehand101 wrote:
Tell you why i'm not contributing, and why i think many others arent- i suck. Im plat zerg and i think the strats i put are dumb and bad and someone else can write 10x better ones. so i refrain from doing so. Please reply if you feel the same
I feel the same.
I think that most other players are too lazy. Its way easier to just post here than to set up a liquipedia page, which has to follow certain rules.
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Sweden5554 Posts
On August 11 2011 06:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
perhaps strategy pages should be listed from newest or newest edited to oldest
that way players would know whether a strategy is up to date or if it might be outdated and useless
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Wait so I can write a strategy, and then it is a draft. Then it must be reviewed by people (who?) and if there's enough positiveness then it will show up as a strategy? or a stub strategy?
I looked at the +1 Mech vs Protoss page and saw that it was not in the list of terran strategies. So how would you get to these draft strategies?
just asking cus i think i will write a guide for air terran vs P soon xD
A draft is a page that has not yet been reviewed, it'll have a small sign showing that it is yet to be reviewed, any edits anyone makes to it will directly be shown.
When a page is being reviewed the reviewer might think you've done a acceptable job and will just click reviewed as acceptable and it'll pass, if it's not then it'll be given a stub or need copy edit or some other form of box thing at the top, perhaps a note in the editing notes (can see these when you view the history of a page) or if something longer is needed on the discussion/talk page for the article to outline what's wrong with the page in it's current iteration.
Once a page has been reviewed there's two versions of it, a reviewed version and a draft version. You can keep making changes to the draft version as much as you like, but for these to be displayed in the reviewed version, someone must review the changes you've made.
It's not certain that even if a page is reviewed it'll be added to the race's strategy overview page. You might have to do that yourself.
Anyhow you can make a page at any time, if you want to work on it for a bit before you "publish", you might want to do it within your userspace (ie  User:Yoshi Kirishima/+1 Mech (vs Protoss)). You don't have to you can make it directly as well. Copy the basic code from the StrategyTemplate and paste it into the new page, and fill out the different sections (remove or add sections as you see fit by looking at other strategy pages, but try and keep the basic structure that is in place as that makes the strategy easier for people familiar with other strategy pages to interpret yours.)
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On August 11 2011 08:25 salle wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2011 06:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
perhaps strategy pages should be listed from newest or newest edited to oldest
that way players would know whether a strategy is up to date or if it might be outdated and useless
edit:
Wait so I can write a strategy, and then it is a draft. Then it must be reviewed by people (who?) and if there's enough positiveness then it will show up as a strategy? or a stub strategy?
I looked at the +1 Mech vs Protoss page and saw that it was not in the list of terran strategies. So how would you get to these draft strategies?
just asking cus i think i will write a guide for air terran vs P soon xD A draft is a page that has not yet been reviewed, it'll have a small sign showing that it is yet to be reviewed, any edits anyone makes to it will directly be shown. When a page is being reviewed the reviewer might think you've done a acceptable job and will just click reviewed as acceptable and it'll pass, if it's not then it'll be given a stub or need copy edit or some other form of box thing at the top, perhaps a note in the editing notes (can see these when you view the history of a page) or if something longer is needed on the discussion/talk page for the article to outline what's wrong with the page in it's current iteration. Once a page has been reviewed there's two versions of it, a reviewed version and a draft version. You can keep making changes to the draft version as much as you like, but for these to be displayed in the reviewed version, someone must review the changes you've made. It's not certain that even if a page is reviewed it'll be added to the race's strategy overview page. You might have to do that yourself. Anyhow you can make a page at any time, if you want to work on it for a bit before you "publish", you might want to do it within your userspace (ie User:Yoshi Kirishima/+1 Mech (vs Protoss)). You don't have to you can make it directly as well. Copy the basic code from the StrategyTemplate and paste it into the new page, and fill out the different sections (remove or add sections as you see fit by looking at other strategy pages, but try and keep the basic structure that is in place as that makes the strategy easier for people familiar with other strategy pages to interpret yours.)
Ok thanks a shit ton that clears up like all my questions and confusedness 
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Someone add INFESTOR LING STYLE :D HAHAHAH!
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I really think that there should be dates added to all the posts. Having dates would allow for new players (like me) to determine if a build is still viable and is worth trying to pursue. I know there's a "outdated" section, but I feel that there are probably outdated builds on the main page that aren't in the appropriate section. Just my 2 cents.
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On August 11 2011 15:32 Intensity wrote:
I really think that there should be dates added to all the posts. Having dates would allow for new players (like me) to determine if a build is still viable and is worth trying to pursue. I know there's a "outdated" section, but I feel that there are probably outdated builds on the main page that aren't in the appropriate section. Just my 2 cents.
yep just what i said, and this way you don't have to move them to the outdated page, people can judge for themselves
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On August 11 2011 07:40 00Visor wrote:
I think that most other players are too lazy. Its way easier to just post here than to set up a liquipedia page, which has to follow certain rules.
There are plenty of rules here too... have you seen how many threads the mods close?
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Then, of course, Liquipedia is way more than strategies. If you're not feeling "elite" (for lack of forum posts) enough, or knowledgeable enough (for lack of being in Masters or Grandmasters), there's lots of stuff to do. One could, for instance, go to the special pages and check out the list of orphaned pages (at Special:LonelyPages) and make sure they're not orphaned anymore (by editing another page where they naturally belong). Alternately, you can take a look at them and improve them, because orphaned pages have often been neglected for a long time and could need some work.
Then theres the page Special:WantedPages for Wanted Pages. This is a list of links all over Liquipedia that point to pages that do not exist. So why not throw together something? Most of those pages are Player pages, so try to find out a little about those players and do a quick write-up. Hint: If you press the link "What links here", you will get a list of all articles linking to the page that doesn't exist, which is actually a nice list of that player's accomplishments! See, it's almost like the page is writing itself! All you need to do is fill out the words.
Another great way to find stuff to do, is just browse around and look for missing info. For instance, did you know that the page for the Challenge mission Opening Gambit doesn't actually exist? All you need there is to count the units you start with, write a little text and provide a good build order. Take a look at the other Challenge missions Challenge Missions to see the general layout. Or did you know that there are Country-specific articles (well, stubs) for Norway, Denmark and Finland, but notSweden? How silly ain't that.
Then, of course, there are loads and loads of small tournaments that have no pages whatsoever on Liquipedia.
Just to underline my point: All this is coming from a guy who has only a little more than 100 posts (definitely not elite), hasn't finished his Placement matches (definitely not a pro) and who has never written a strategy page, but hey, I'm nearing that silver coin
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What I'm sorely missing as a Wikipedia editor is something akin to Wikipedia's Village Pump. A central wiki page on Liquipedia where people can discuss anything related to the wiki (Let's call it The Cantina!).
For instance, I'd like to edit the Korean player's articles to include current and past GSL standings, but I'm certainly not going to do all the effort without knowing whether such a change would be supported by the Liquipedia regulars. Yet there's no place on the wiki where I can ask the Liquipedia regulars anything, or make suggestions that involve change a large number of articles, etc. Basically, what's missing is some sort of community feature on-wiki.
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Hyrule19259 Posts
This doesn't deserve page 12.
Come on guys, edit harder! You know you want those coins.
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What's the point of this thread? I added some notes under marines pointing out how Combat Shields is generally stronger than stim and cited evidence - it was in good concise English and it was deleted a few days later??
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I don't edit because i don't consider myself good enough.
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I might hop on and do some assistance with player pages etc, some could use some more content.
I'll check out the wanted pages too and see what I can help with. I'll leave strategy to the masters
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Hyrule19259 Posts
On September 01 2011 08:12 BioTech wrote:
What's the point of this thread? I added some notes under marines pointing out how Combat Shields is generally stronger than stim and cited evidence - it was in good concise English and it was deleted a few days later??
Really? It's still there, and was never deleted.
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DID YOU CONTRIBUTE?
I did. I even got this icon to show that I tried!
Do you have an icon?
Go feel guilty while editing liquipedia.
Now.
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I agree. When it comes to strategies, I think part of the problem is people don't want to post builds that are one time deals. People only post builds that are entirely stable and "complete" so to say. So maybe someone could add a section for builds only seen once in a pro replay and another section for common or cool in-game decisions like timings (both attack timings and macro timings like when to throw down 2 engineering bays.) Overall, I feel that liquipedia is too inflexible and lacks infrastructure for any casual player to post, resulting in very few strategies that aren't common in the metagame.
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On August 09 2011 06:11 salle wrote:
Why haven't you edited liquipedia recently?
Because the last five times I changed Artosis's name to Dan 'Penis' Stemkoski I got a temp ban.
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