The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 437

Overall: you're pulling many SCVs (8 total) and build your Barracks far, which makes you “all-in”: you barely have enough minerals to build Bunkers while having continuous Marine production, so you can't build SCVs at home and you're stuck in a low economy for a long time, which is why you have a hard time for your transition. Try to pull less SCVs (try 3-5, including those who built Barracks) and slightly later so you have more minerals to build SCVs at home.

After your first SCV completes the first Barracks I recommend you rally this SCV to the Tower closest to your opponent's base then head towards his main, this way you will see (a) if there are Zerglings out of the map in case of 10 pool, (b) if he went Hatchery first or not, (c) if he took gas or not. Your plan totally differs if you scout gasless 10 pool or 14 pool 14 gas rather than Hatchery first.

By the way, your first Barracks should start at 1'40 at the lastest.

Game 1: I'll just focus on the beginning. Your opponent opened 14/14 which changes everything: rather than try to heavily contain him, which is not a good option there since he can have Speedlings/Banelings faster (~5'30 for Speedling) than a Hatch pool gas, I would try to make only one Bunker below his ramp then build a second at the edge of the creep and try to disrupt his mining; but you're on a timer there, so don't overextend and prepare your follow-up at home: a rax wall on your natural, and possibly going dual gas before expand so you can get Hellions and if needed Banshees earlier. Watch the Maru vs LosirA series, Code A Season 5 RO48 to see the problems you face when going 11/11 against pool/gas openings.

Game 2: see when your opponent cancels his Spine and repatriates his Drone in his main? That's the sign he's giving up his natural, so you can go up his ramp and try to do damage there. Beware though: when your Barracks are that far you have to proceed very cautiously with your Marines, if you lose them to Zerglings and lose map control you're not in a good position because it will take a very long time before your Barracks come back in your base. Your follow-up ended up working because your opponent played weird and committed too long on 1 base and your drop hit while he was still camping in front of your base, but you should try to expand first so you're not automatically all-in if your opponent simply makes enough units to reclaim his natural before resuming Drone production.

As always the most important point is macro: if you lack SCVs because you missed several workers on top of cutting some of them because of the opening, you will end up with a very weak economy, preventing you from really capitalizing on your contain and/or the fact your opponent is still 1-basing.

Yes, you can go for BFH after 2 rax (not really BFH + Banshees at once though, it would require too much gas), you can check Mvp vs Miniraser, Cloud Kingdom, IronSquid II; Mvp vs sLivko, Cloud Kingdom, IEM Cologne VII; and MarineKing vs GosWser, Cloud Kingdom, Numericable Cup. Mvp's games were not 11/11 but the follow-up would be the same, it would simply be slower since your economy is weaker.


Well, you can pull more than 5 SCVs, but you have to justify bringing that many SCVs and it usually means killing your opponent straight away or killing at least as many Drones; if you pull 8 SCVs but only contain Zerg or destroy the Hatchery without slaying any Drones it's not a good trade.


SCVs' movements depend on how far you want to proxy, but generally yes I send one SCV at 10 supply for the first Barracks, then rally the one building the Supply depot for the second. For other examples of proxy locations on Cloud Kingdom you can check YoDa vs Nerchio, IEM Katowice; and MMA vs Stephano, IronSquid II.