EPTThe Terran Help Me Thread - Page 344
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
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oZe
Sweden492 Posts
I face silver - plat players, will this build fall flat on it's face against diamonds+ without the raven? I don't play much 1v1 and a friend roughly of my skill level is diamond, so I guess if I put in more than 10-20 games per season I'll promote to diamond pretty quickly. Please pm when you post because I'm a retard who might forget I asked for it ^^ | ||
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dynwar7
1983 Posts
Marine tank involves tanks. Mech too. Bio....does not but to be able to beat marine/tank and mech using bio, you need to play super good.. So, must I really use tanks in tvt....help someone -.- If anybody is developing a new idea about tankless tvt, count me in! I would love to contribute/share ideas | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 27 2012 14:35 zhurai wrote: you definitely don't want 70 scvs (that's as much saturation a zerg wants/gets, but you're not gonna be able to remax as quick as them anyways) 40-50 or so, and lategame make mass oc's and sac your scvs. ? Between 65 (TvP, TvT) and 75 (TvZ) SCVs is standard mid-game unless you expanded so late that your main's SCVs will be used at the third. Zergs are more around 80-95 workers. On August 27 2012 18:33 dynwar7 wrote: Marine tank involves tanks. Mech too. Bio....does not but to be able to beat marine/tank and mech using bio, you need to play super good.. So, must I really use tanks in tvt... Yes. | ||
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BobMcJohnson
France2916 Posts
On August 27 2012 18:33 dynwar7 wrote: Is there a standard, safe, decent build in tvt that does not rely on tanks...? This is keeping me from playing....been thinking 3-4 months about TvT without tanks.. Marine tank involves tanks. Mech too. Bio....does not but to be able to beat marine/tank and mech using bio, you need to play super good.. So, must I really use tanks in tvt....help someone -.- If anybody is developing a new idea about tankless tvt, count me in! I would love to contribute/share ideas Eh, maybe take a look at the old iEchoic build. It's quite gimmicky though, and probably not effective since the blueflame nerf :/ http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=189624 Not sure why you play Terran if you dont like tanks though :> | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
I am relying on Zergs being stupid and not taking 8 bases immediately, which has a higher probability of winning than relying on me having amazing unit control. Any thoughts for a third way? | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:06 U_G_L_Y wrote: Hellion banshee is becoming "the" standard TvZ build, it seems. How does one hold off a quick sling/bling bust with this? 2 banshees don't exactly kill off 30 lings, even if you were able target fire a lot of banelings. I have been going CC first, fast tank, and if Zerg has started a third, I get a macro third and 4th until it is safe to land them. I am relying on Zergs being stupid and not taking 8 bases immediately, which has a higher probability of winning than relying on me having amazing unit control. Any thoughts for a third way? It's pretty easy actually. You have to be active with the banshees and try and pick off as many banes as possible while they're morphing and waddling to your base. If you do that they might not even break the supply depot wall at the front if you're repairing it. If they do get through then you should have 4-6 hellions, so just kite the slings and try and micro your workers so they get in the way of the slings and you should be fine. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:15 kollin wrote: It's pretty easy actually. You have to be active with the banshees and try and pick off as many banes as possible while they're morphing and waddling to your base. Early Baneling busts hit before you have your Banshee. You only have 3 Marines and 2 Hellions when they hit. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:34 U_G_L_Y wrote: Seige mode finishes before they are able to break my second wall if I dont screw up when I have encountererd this (I,am abusive and wall the low ground on ladder maps) So I assumed I could get A banshee if I rushed for it but maybe not with CC first? Why would all zergs not do this? Many terrans (myself included) still do a variety of all-ins off of 1 or 2 base on the ladder. Some do so exclusively, and some mix it in with regular play. Although an optimal greedy zerg opening scouts and deflects this kind of stuff, at mid-low levels that's not really what happens... you can still all-in  | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On August 28 2012 03:41 TheDwf wrote: Early Baneling busts hit before you have your Banshee. You only have 3 Marines and 2 Hellions when they hit. If it hits that early surely they can't have that many lings? You could probably hold it off fairly easily with a bit of micro. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On August 28 2012 04:39 kollin wrote: If it hits that early surely they can't have that many lings? 20-25 I think. Basically they go full Zerglings with their two first injects while using all the spare gas (i. e. everything they mined -150 for Speed and Baneling Nest) to make Banelings. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On August 28 2012 07:08 U_G_L_Y wrote: So Zergs are not ling bling busting me because they are just as stupid as the ones that don't take 8 bases? it's a number of factors. but really it's just not always optimal to ling/bling bust, and for some players it's not fun. Maybe also they are having trouble scouting you. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On August 28 2012 07:20 Blazinghand wrote: it's a number of factors. but really it's just not always optimal to ling/bling bust, and for some players it's not fun. Maybe also they are having trouble scouting you. THEY are not having fun in the matchup? How is that for irony. Was the scouting thing sarcasm? Is there a better all in than hellion marauder? Doesn't it straight up die if they are doing a roach ling bane all in? I have a 50% win rate vs masters Protosses and regularly lose games to Platinum Zergs. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25551 Posts
On August 28 2012 07:34 U_G_L_Y wrote: THEY are not having fun in the matchup? How is that for irony. Was the scouting thing sarcasm? Is there a better all in than hellion marauder? Doesn't it straight up die if they are doing a roach ling bane all in? I have a 50% win rate vs masters Protosses and regularly lose games to Platinum Zergs. Yeah, I mean a lot of people don't have fun all-inning. many zerg players prefer to play a straight-up clean macro game. Some, certainly, like doing all-ins but I think a lot of players just aren't about that. In terms of all-ins, you have your bunker cheese, you have your marauder hellion (I can't think of another 2-base allin off hand) or proxy thor rush, or 2 port banshee (proxied, even!) or even a proxy 3 rax or proxy 11/11. There's always room to cheese. It probably won't be too effective or fun though-- it's just that people DO use these builds, so as a zerg you have to prepare for those as well or you'll be very sad.. unfortunately, I can't say for sure why your TvZ is plat league while your TvP is master league. if you throw up a replay I could probably take a look this evening, and I'm sure the other fellows around here would be glad to help out. | ||
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NewbieOne
Poland560 Posts
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
On August 28 2012 09:16 NewbieOne wrote: Speaking of Zergs that prefer to play a straight-up clean macro game, what's with Zergs not killing off all of the CC first openings at IEM, like SuperNova vs Vortix on Ohana? I'm 99% sure I'd die if I tried that. If you plan a build order and you feel comfortable it's superior to the Terran's 14CC, why bother changing anything? Getting a fast 2nd CC usually means the Terran will be delayed in their 3rd and 4th unless they're super greedy, in which case you're probably going to destroy them in the early mid game. | ||
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U_G_L_Y
United States516 Posts
On August 28 2012 09:16 NewbieOne wrote: Speaking of Zergs that prefer to play a straight-up clean macro game, what's with Zergs not killing off all of the CC first openings at IEM, like SuperNova vs Vortix on Ohana? I'm 99% sure I'd die if I tried that. Since I don't play tournament maps, I can wall my ramp on the low ground with 1 depot and 1 rax but honestly it is pretty rare for lings to show up before my bunker is done, even when they drone scout. Plus Vortix is so greedy in every match he doesn't even get the extra queens that most zergs do and I am sure Supernova knew that | ||
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