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Pulimuli
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Sweden2766 Posts
April 23 2012 21:04 GMT
#4181
On April 24 2012 05:55 stichtom wrote:
Hi everyone.
What it the best mech build against zerg at the moment?


You should probably watch some reps of GoOdy or Turuk, two terrans who are very good at meching vs zerg
stichtom
Profile Joined March 2011
Italy695 Posts
April 23 2012 21:22 GMT
#4182
On April 24 2012 06:04 Pulimuli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 05:55 stichtom wrote:
Hi everyone.
What it the best mech build against zerg at the moment?


You should probably watch some reps of GoOdy or Turuk, two terrans who are very good at meching vs zerg

It's very hard to find replay of these 2...
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RaE21
Profile Joined September 2010
United States260 Posts
April 23 2012 21:47 GMT
#4183
On April 24 2012 06:22 stichtom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 06:04 Pulimuli wrote:
On April 24 2012 05:55 stichtom wrote:
Hi everyone.
What it the best mech build against zerg at the moment?


You should probably watch some reps of GoOdy or Turuk, two terrans who are very good at meching vs zerg

It's very hard to find replay of these 2...


Lastshadow actually posted a replay pack where, although he does several variations for openings, every tvz mid-late game of his shows very solid mech play. You can find it if he search in the teamliquid searchbar
xPabt
Profile Joined February 2012
226 Posts
April 23 2012 22:22 GMT
#4184
What do you do when the zerg player just drops his maxed roach army on your not maxed mech army?
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
April 23 2012 22:34 GMT
#4185
On April 24 2012 07:22 xPabt wrote:
What do you do when the zerg player just drops his maxed roach army on your not maxed mech army?



THIS.
God Young ho
xPabt
Profile Joined February 2012
226 Posts
April 24 2012 00:35 GMT
#4186
Also how do you defend vs a 1 base colossus all in and how do you tell that apart from a 1 base immortal all in.
Broesl
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria75 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 01:56:48
April 24 2012 01:29 GMT
#4187
On April 24 2012 09:35 xPabt wrote:
Also how do you defend vs a 1 base colossus all in and how do you tell that apart from a 1 base immortal all in.


Gas units are what tell you what he is doing, a 1base colossus basically has none, normally 1 stalker to deny scouting thats it until colossi are out. With immortals the toss usually wants some sentries, if u see those u can as said "usually" cross off any 1base colossus, but depending on the level you play, you might see some weird stuff too.
TerranHimself
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5 Posts
April 24 2012 05:24 GMT
#4188
Anyone have any tips on approaching TvZ. I have 0 confidence facing Zerg. I always feel too "afraid" to move out because my army usually gets steamrolled by ling/b-ling. Are there ways to tell if I can either move out to do some damage or sit back and "play it safe." Are there any Terran players who feel that can do anything against Zerg, because that is how I feel against Protoss and I am at a loss at how to approach TvZ with confidence and the ability to dictate how the game will go. Thanks for any help.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 05:40:35
April 24 2012 05:39 GMT
#4189
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IDEnergy
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)74 Posts
April 24 2012 05:55 GMT
#4190
I really should ask for any pressuring TvT build because all of my builds for TvT are macro based.
Anyone want to give me any pro's rep from gsl/mlg/dreamhack etc... on any good pressuring TvT builds or all-in builds?
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TerranHimself
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5 Posts
April 24 2012 05:57 GMT
#4191
On April 24 2012 14:39 monkybone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 14:24 TerranHimself wrote:
Anyone have any tips on approaching TvZ. I have 0 confidence facing Zerg. I always feel too "afraid" to move out because my army usually gets steamrolled by ling/b-ling. Are there ways to tell if I can either move out to do some damage or sit back and "play it safe." Are there any Terran players who feel that can do anything against Zerg, because that is how I feel against Protoss and I am at a loss at how to approach TvZ with confidence and the ability to dictate how the game will go. Thanks for any help.


Before infestor muta, you can move out with hitsquads of 8 marines with their a medievac to deny creep. You won't lose anything.

Drop before you move out. This forces their army into their base or expansion giving you room to move out. Drop a lot in general to keep the Zerg in his base.



Thanks, I usually never drop when I am playing (big mistake I know), Are there certain things to look for when dropping, The few times I do drop they fail miserably and then I get gun shy about dropping. I watch some of the korean pros streaming and dropping constantly and doing massive damage, how do they decide "this is the time to drop/double drop etc." Is it based on your opponents army position? manipulating their position?
IDEnergy
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)74 Posts
April 24 2012 05:59 GMT
#4192
On April 24 2012 14:24 TerranHimself wrote:
Anyone have any tips on approaching TvZ. I have 0 confidence facing Zerg. I always feel too "afraid" to move out because my army usually gets steamrolled by ling/b-ling. Are there ways to tell if I can either move out to do some damage or sit back and "play it safe." Are there any Terran players who feel that can do anything against Zerg, because that is how I feel against Protoss and I am at a loss at how to approach TvZ with confidence and the ability to dictate how the game will go. Thanks for any help.


Dominate the map early. Constantly move your marines into the towers and catch any units are incoming into your base. Go rec 6 hellions for early map domination, and constantly move your hellions and check if Z's going for early third. Remove creep tumors, and macro or pressure when you see third or fast infestor play. If you can dominate Z in mid-game (not letting him get more expansions, spreading creep, allowing no map vision, cost efficently trading units) 90% of the game you should be able to win.
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TerranHimself
Profile Joined April 2012
United States5 Posts
April 24 2012 06:08 GMT
#4193
On April 24 2012 14:59 IDEnergy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 14:24 TerranHimself wrote:
Anyone have any tips on approaching TvZ. I have 0 confidence facing Zerg. I always feel too "afraid" to move out because my army usually gets steamrolled by ling/b-ling. Are there ways to tell if I can either move out to do some damage or sit back and "play it safe." Are there any Terran players who feel that can do anything against Zerg, because that is how I feel against Protoss and I am at a loss at how to approach TvZ with confidence and the ability to dictate how the game will go. Thanks for any help.


Dominate the map early. Constantly move your marines into the towers and catch any units are incoming into your base. Go rec 6 hellions for early map domination, and constantly move your hellions and check if Z's going for early third. Remove creep tumors, and macro or pressure when you see third or fast infestor play. If you can dominate Z in mid-game (not letting him get more expansions, spreading creep, allowing no map vision, cost efficently trading units) 90% of the game you should be able to win.


Thanks for the tips.
phiinix
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1169 Posts
April 24 2012 06:20 GMT
#4194
On April 24 2012 14:55 IDEnergy wrote:
I really should ask for any pressuring TvT build because all of my builds for TvT are macro based.
Anyone want to give me any pro's rep from gsl/mlg/dreamhack etc... on any good pressuring TvT builds or all-in builds?

I'd watch Last Shadow's stream, he always plays a 1/1/1 build in tvt, and he's also in korea, so there's more terrans on the ladder. Sometimes he does proxie marauder though.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325856

There's two builds for tvt here that I really liked, I'm using the reactor hellion into banshee build. I think the one against jjakji on shattered temple is a good reference.
IDEnergy
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)74 Posts
April 24 2012 06:26 GMT
#4195
On April 24 2012 15:20 phiinix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2012 14:55 IDEnergy wrote:
I really should ask for any pressuring TvT build because all of my builds for TvT are macro based.
Anyone want to give me any pro's rep from gsl/mlg/dreamhack etc... on any good pressuring TvT builds or all-in builds?

I'd watch Last Shadow's stream, he always plays a 1/1/1 build in tvt, and he's also in korea, so there's more terrans on the ladder. Sometimes he does proxie marauder though.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=325856

There's two builds for tvt here that I really liked, I'm using the reactor hellion into banshee build. I think the one against jjakji on shattered temple is a good reference.


Perfect! Thanks for reference :D was getting sick and tired of playing 30 min TvT every single time XD
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saaaa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany419 Posts
April 24 2012 10:19 GMT
#4196
imagine if must pull scv to defend or to safe them and they are "between" my army.

How do i select all scv to send them back for mining as fast as possible?

my current technique:
box all units -> hold strg -> click one scv in the unit selection screen -> click minerals

Crankenstein
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia150 Posts
April 24 2012 10:41 GMT
#4197
On April 24 2012 19:19 saaaa wrote:
imagine if must pull scv to defend or to safe them and they are "between" my army.

How do i select all scv to send them back for mining as fast as possible?

my current technique:
box all units -> hold strg -> click one scv in the unit selection screen -> click minerals



Hold ctrl and click the idle worker key and send back to minerals using camera hotkey.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 11:24:47
April 24 2012 11:23 GMT
#4198
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TAAF
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland226 Posts
April 24 2012 14:32 GMT
#4199
On April 24 2012 05:55 stichtom wrote:
Hi everyone.
What it the best mech build against zerg at the moment?

Watch the day9 Daily tonight! DeMuslim vs. Nestea mech TvZ. =)
Crouching probe, hidden cannon
TAAF
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland226 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 14:46:01
April 24 2012 14:45 GMT
#4200
On April 24 2012 14:24 TerranHimself wrote:
Anyone have any tips on approaching TvZ. I have 0 confidence facing Zerg. I always feel too "afraid" to move out because my army usually gets steamrolled by ling/b-ling. Are there ways to tell if I can either move out to do some damage or sit back and "play it safe." Are there any Terran players who feel that can do anything against Zerg, because that is how I feel against Protoss and I am at a loss at how to approach TvZ with confidence and the ability to dictate how the game will go. Thanks for any help.

What helps is getting a lot of medivacs. You can save so much of your army with them, especially early game. I like to stay aggressive and don't let the zerg breath. Scout for hive and tech choice on hive. Drop a lot! Really important, especially late game (All hive units are not really good against drops).
And remember: A zerg with many units early game does not have a lot of drones, so you technically did damage already.
Crouching probe, hidden cannon
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