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Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
March 21 2012 04:49 GMT
#3681
On March 21 2012 07:44 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 07:07 KenDM wrote:
On March 21 2012 05:07 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:24 KenDM wrote:
High guys. What do you think of this 1/1/1 tactic StimmedProbe posted in another thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net...ssage.php?topic_id=253098

How all in is this really? What are the major downfalls of this build? I'm interested in learning it since Protoss just a-move it, they need to be taught a lesson I was wondering if this is better than mech play against Protoss?

And Blazinghand, do you by any chance have a cool video of you doing something very cruel to Protoss players that's inspiring enough to copy? I liked your mech video's against Zerg, can you pull off mech against Protoss?

If you want a strong timing attack, do yens 7 rax 1 fac 2 port build. Mech vs protoss is probably why you hate TvP. It's a joke, and stupid to even try IMO. It doesn't work well, it's like riding a bike, but you have no handlebars. You have no control.

I have a SLEW of 1-1-1, and reactor FE into 3 rax 1 fac 2 port TvP all ins. Just ask, and you shall receive, my son.

Here's a few replays of some solid all ins vs P.

http://drop.sc/139187 800 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/139188 770 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135784 830 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135785 835 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135483 950 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/125939 800 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/125932 875 pt protoss

There ya from. From 1-1-1, to reactor FE, to FE to 3-1-1, FE to 3-1-2 etc. A vary of builds, with the harass, and timing attack.


Do you have an ice VoD of that 7 rax 1 fac 2 port build? It's not an all in right or is it?


100% all in. Lemme link you yens guide

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299607


Rofl just what I was looking for. What a sick insane allin! lmfao I just tried it against a protoss who 1 base warp prism 4gated me and I stomped him
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Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
March 21 2012 11:08 GMT
#3682
What's the best low-level counter to muta ling baneling? I havent seen it much lately but when i do i usually get stomped by it. Is it mech?
Kerm
Profile Joined April 2010
France467 Posts
March 21 2012 11:14 GMT
#3683
On March 21 2012 20:08 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
What's the best low-level counter to muta ling baneling? I havent seen it much lately but when i do i usually get stomped by it. Is it mech?


MOAR MARINES !!

Really. With upgrades. and tanks. usual stuff.
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Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
March 21 2012 11:23 GMT
#3684
On March 21 2012 20:08 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
What's the best low-level counter to muta ling baneling? I havent seen it much lately but when i do i usually get stomped by it. Is it mech?


MOAR MARINES !!

Really. With upgrades. and tanks. usual stuff.

Okay thats why they make banelings... my micro is decent but i still lose a shit ton of rines to banelings...
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 21 2012 11:27 GMT
#3685
On March 21 2012 20:23 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
On March 21 2012 20:08 Inquisitor1323 wrote:
What's the best low-level counter to muta ling baneling? I havent seen it much lately but when i do i usually get stomped by it. Is it mech?


MOAR MARINES !!

Really. With upgrades. and tanks. usual stuff.

Okay thats why they make banelings... my micro is decent but i still lose a shit ton of rines to banelings...


Do not focus too much on splitting your marines against banelings. Instead, when the Zerg army is incoming, stim your marines and run them back. Then select your tanks and spam rightclick on the banes. Since almost every Zerg clumps up their banelings, this allows you to take out a lot of them before they close the distance. You will most likely lose your tanks to ling/muta, but your marines (&medivacs) should survive to clean up.

Other than that, the usual tips apply: Don't get caught unsieged, bunnyhop siege tanks while advancing, scan to take out creep tumors and try to engage off creep if possible.
Such flammable little insects!
Yohsc2
Profile Joined August 2011
28 Posts
March 21 2012 13:27 GMT
#3686
this might sound stupid but is there a diffrence between focus firing banes with rightclick and aclick?
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25552 Posts
March 21 2012 13:28 GMT
#3687
On March 21 2012 22:27 Yohsc2 wrote:
this might sound stupid but is there a diffrence between focus firing banes with rightclick and aclick?


Assuming you don't misclick, there is no difference. If you hit open ground, rightclick will move command and aclick will attack-move.
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DelugeSC
Profile Joined December 2011
United States96 Posts
March 21 2012 13:34 GMT
#3688
What is the best way to engage carriers? How important is target-firing? Are Vikings the best counter?
Alternity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States74 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-21 13:37:43
March 21 2012 13:37 GMT
#3689
On March 21 2012 22:34 Seppuku wrote:
What is the best way to engage carriers? How important is target-firing? Are Vikings the best counter?


Yep vikings are probably the best counter. You want to kite the carriers with the longer range of the vikings to minimize damage and kite back from any ground army the protoss has.

Mass stimmed 3/3 marines are also quite good vs carriers in that they can prtty much instantly kill all the interceptors. However they are owned by storm or collosus, so usually vikings are the better choice.
zmansman17
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2567 Posts
March 21 2012 18:43 GMT
#3690
3/3 Marines decimate carriers. I would even go as far as saying they are more cost efficient, given open Terrain.
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cma1681
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States59 Posts
March 21 2012 18:48 GMT
#3691
Vikings require more micro, because u have to target fire the carriers, otherwise vikings waste shots on interceptors. Probably a mix of vikings and marines are best.
Effay
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States153 Posts
March 21 2012 23:57 GMT
#3692
I'm a zerg player that's decided to try playing Terran since I'm tired of having to play completely reactionary and having unmicroable units,and be able to have more aggressive play be viable.

That being said, what are good openers and strategies for each matchup? Liquipedia is a bit oudated in this regard. From watching high level games, 1 rax expand seems good for TvP and reactor hellion is good for TvZ, but i have no idea what's good in TvT (as the matchup is really dynamic and i've seen a large variety of ways to open, not sure which is the best to start with).

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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
March 22 2012 00:24 GMT
#3693
On March 22 2012 08:57 Effay wrote:
I'm a zerg player that's decided to try playing Terran since I'm tired of having to play completely reactionary and having unmicroable units,and be able to have more aggressive play be viable.

That being said, what are good openers and strategies for each matchup? Liquipedia is a bit oudated in this regard. From watching high level games, 1 rax expand seems good for TvP and reactor hellion is good for TvZ, but i have no idea what's good in TvT (as the matchup is really dynamic and i've seen a large variety of ways to open, not sure which is the best to start with).



Usually a 1/1/1 with cloaked banshee or fast tank. There's been a lot of gasless expands or reaper (1-3 reapers) expands that are popular. I prefer the reaper one, map control, good Econ but less marines and less tech than someone who goes no gas fast expand
rccars
Profile Joined February 2012
United States10 Posts
March 22 2012 02:00 GMT
#3694
What is a good time to start Stim research? Sometimes I feel like I start too early or late.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 07:20:24
March 22 2012 07:19 GMT
#3695
Hey guys!

I try to find solid openings vs all races and have decided to do Reactor Hellion Expand vs zerg and 1 rax no gas fe into 4 rax vs protoss.
But I am kinda lost vs terran because there are so many different 1rax FE builds (into 1-1-1, into 3rax, into ...). Any recommendations for a safe FE without having to focus on micro too much in the beginning?

Thanks
MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
March 22 2012 07:31 GMT
#3696
On March 21 2012 13:49 Twistacles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2012 07:44 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On March 21 2012 07:07 KenDM wrote:
On March 21 2012 05:07 iAmJeffReY wrote:
On March 21 2012 02:24 KenDM wrote:
High guys. What do you think of this 1/1/1 tactic StimmedProbe posted in another thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net...ssage.php?topic_id=253098

How all in is this really? What are the major downfalls of this build? I'm interested in learning it since Protoss just a-move it, they need to be taught a lesson I was wondering if this is better than mech play against Protoss?

And Blazinghand, do you by any chance have a cool video of you doing something very cruel to Protoss players that's inspiring enough to copy? I liked your mech video's against Zerg, can you pull off mech against Protoss?

If you want a strong timing attack, do yens 7 rax 1 fac 2 port build. Mech vs protoss is probably why you hate TvP. It's a joke, and stupid to even try IMO. It doesn't work well, it's like riding a bike, but you have no handlebars. You have no control.

I have a SLEW of 1-1-1, and reactor FE into 3 rax 1 fac 2 port TvP all ins. Just ask, and you shall receive, my son.

Here's a few replays of some solid all ins vs P.

http://drop.sc/139187 800 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/139188 770 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135784 830 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135785 835 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/135483 950 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/125939 800 pt protoss
http://drop.sc/125932 875 pt protoss

There ya from. From 1-1-1, to reactor FE, to FE to 3-1-1, FE to 3-1-2 etc. A vary of builds, with the harass, and timing attack.


Do you have an ice VoD of that 7 rax 1 fac 2 port build? It's not an all in right or is it?


100% all in. Lemme link you yens guide

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299607


Rofl just what I was looking for. What a sick insane allin! lmfao I just tried it against a protoss who 1 base warp prism 4gated me and I stomped him


If you want a sick all in check out Specialist's TvP Build. It consists of a 3 hellion 2 marine drop followed up by a hellion/cloackshee/raven/marine/scv all in. It's a pretty powerful 1-1-1 and with good scouting you can stop most Protoss 1 bases also. I could post replays or you could check out his thread where he has replays of him doing it 100x better :p. But yea, this build pretty much boosted me into masters alone.
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
March 22 2012 07:35 GMT
#3697
On March 22 2012 16:19 KiNGxXx wrote:
Hey guys!

I try to find solid openings vs all races and have decided to do Reactor Hellion Expand vs zerg and 1 rax no gas fe into 4 rax vs protoss.
But I am kinda lost vs terran because there are so many different 1rax FE builds (into 1-1-1, into 3rax, into ...). Any recommendations for a safe FE without having to focus on micro too much in the beginning?

Thanks


Hate to break it to you but most FE builds are going to require a decent amount of micro if you get pressured. Whether it be defending banshees or breaking a siege, if you FE in TvT you will be susceptible to pressure and you will have to micro in order to stop it. 1 rax FE followed by 2 gases into Factory is decently safe imo. Especially on maps like Antiga where you can position tanks really efficiently. FE into 3 rax IMO requires a bit more micro, unless you have great map awareness and can catch early aggression before it gets to your natural.

To be honest the safest build IMO is a standard 1-1-1 opening and get a raven as well as a few tanks and then expand behind a poke. You can sometimes win right off the bat.
InvincibleRice
Profile Joined March 2011
United States38 Posts
March 22 2012 07:45 GMT
#3698
On March 22 2012 16:19 KiNGxXx wrote:
Hey guys!

I try to find solid openings vs all races and have decided to do Reactor Hellion Expand vs zerg and 1 rax no gas fe into 4 rax vs protoss.
But I am kinda lost vs terran because there are so many different 1rax FE builds (into 1-1-1, into 3rax, into ...). Any recommendations for a safe FE without having to focus on micro too much in the beginning?

Thanks


ThorZain's TvT helped me a lot. It's a 1rax FE into 3 rax heavy marine (1 tech, 2 reactor) with upgrades and fast medivacs. It's on Day9 394.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by not having to focus on micro too much, but with the build you have to be careful with cloakshee openers (save scan, have a turret in each mineral line) and tank openings (keep control of the middle of the map, don't let him contain you).

On the other hand, a defensive 1/1/1 is probably the safest TvT opening, and you can expand relatively quickly behind it. Try 1/1/1 cloakshee opening. You can always switch to raven/viking instead if you scout the other T going for cloakshees and come out way ahead.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 08:23:24
March 22 2012 08:22 GMT
#3699
Ok, thanks guys. Will try 1-1-1 into expand.
Which one is "the right" bo for cloak banshee opening? Do you have a link cause there are many different build orders at Liquipedia. The first one here? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Banshee_Opening

edit: Oh, and with less micro i mean not rely on only a few units aka very greedy opening. Ofc there is always a lot of micro to do in early game TvT.
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Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
March 22 2012 11:50 GMT
#3700
How do you drop units from a medivac at different places as opposed to to just one position. Do you just shift d-click in a line? I see pros do it a lot and im just wondering how its done.
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