The Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 36

On August 25 2011 23:34 justiceknight wrote:
ok i have trouble with PVT opening especially after cyber core

i scouted his base, 1 rax @ ramp walled with/without depotand 1 gas
zlot then boost stalker,stalker to the ramp
I see no add on on rax and few marines w/o bunker

what should TOSS do???? expo? 3 gate robo? or dt?

and also when do you get 2nd gas? is it a MUST to get 2nd gas after putting down cyber core?

On August 25 2011 22:19 Qwes wrote:
I'm a Gold league Toss trying to improve my play and I'm having a difficult time doing so, especially with the builds I've been using. Obviously I'm not blaming the builds (they were perfected by players much better than I), but the sudden losing streak I'm on has shaken my confidence that I'm not going down the right path.

I've gathered advice from a few sources, most of which came from TL.net, that suggested sticking to one build per matchup is the best way to improve play, and that only after you've mastered a specific build should you then go on to the next. I want to improve macro so I've picked builds I think help me do that, but at the same time I'm not sure if I chose wisely over-all.

PvT: 2GATE FAST OBS FE
I've been practicing this build as much as I can but I get absolutely destroyed by any Terran player doing a 2Rax pressure FE, which admittedly isn't every game. By the six minute mark I have 1 Zealot, 1 Sentry, and 1 Stalker with 1 Gateway, a Robo, and my Warpgate at about 80% researched. This is right about the time I warp in my Nexus, but seems to be the time I get attacked by a 5-7 Marine 1-3 Marauder push. Even if I cancel my Nexus, I don't have the production facilities to counter the attack. And I don't see how I can scout this since they attack right when my Obs is out and my probe is either killed/unable to scout anything. Is my macro just shit, are my timings for the build off, or does this build simply get countered by 2Rax MM pressure?

PvZ: 3GATE SENTRY EXPAND
I have trouble with this build because I can't seem to spend my minerals fast enough along with the timings of the build. However I like this build and have so far been successful against Z in Gold league.

PvP: 4GATE
Yea...I hate this match-up. I always end up getting out-macro'ed by a player with better timings than me. Again, this isn't the builds fault, but the build itself is boring. When I try to switch it up to 3GATEROBO I still lose. Such is the reason I'm in Gold league I guess.

Blah, sort of a long post, but basically have I picked decent builds for my matchups to learn? Or should I not be focusing on these?

On August 26 2011 01:24 Lisitsa wrote:
PvP - 4 Gate and its counters

First of all, I would like to mention that I hate this mirror match up with a passion, just like about all of the Protoss players in the world I assume. If there is a pure coinflip, GIMMICKY match up in SC2 it would be PvP, and because of that I am not even interested in digging into and learning the match up properly - well, knowing how to 4 gate cover a majority of it, anways.

However, the question I have now is the part that a 4 gate is not covering - at least without the proper knowledge I presume. As a referrance, I am a player who would rather play a 4 gate vs. 4 gate dogfight (which I am pretty confident at) than anything else in PvP that is bound to be even more stupid; well, at least that way the game ends fast and I can probably play another Terran or Zerg in the mean time. but recently I'm facing players who just refuse to go for 4 gate - they try to counter it with some other fancy build orders including a fast 3-4 stalkers killing my proxy pylons and then including sentries. In a map that has a fair distance and is NOT Tal'darim, seems like this sort of gimmicky build order actually seems to stop my 4 gate farly well. Any advices on how to proceed?

By the way, thank you guys for responding to my last few questions. That helped me much - I now have about 30% win ratio vs Terran, up from 10% previously!

On August 26 2011 01:24 Lisitsa wrote:
PvP - 4 Gate and its counters

First of all, I would like to mention that I hate this mirror match up with a passion, just like about all of the Protoss players in the world I assume. If there is a pure coinflip, GIMMICKY match up in SC2 it would be PvP, and because of that I am not even interested in digging into and learning the match up properly - well, knowing how to 4 gate cover a majority of it, anyways.

However, the question I have now is the part that a 4 gate is not covering - at least without the proper knowledge I presume. As a referrance, I am a player who would rather play a 4 gate vs. 4 gate dogfight (which I am pretty confident at) than anything else in PvP that is bound to be even more stupid; well, at least that way the game ends fast and I can probably play another Terran or Zerg in the mean time. but recently I'm facing players who just refuse to go for 4 gate - they try to counter it with some other fancy build orders including a fast 3-4 stalkers killing my proxy pylons and then including sentries. In a map that has a fair distance and is NOT Tal'darim, seems like this sort of gimmicky build order actually seems to stop my 4 gate fairly well. Any advices on how to proceed?

By the way, thank you guys for responding to my last few questions. That helped me much - I now have about 30% win ratio vs Terran, up from 10% previously!

On August 26 2011 03:31 GeeRobb wrote:
What is the timing that my FFE into 6-7 gate +1 should be knocking down Zerg front door?

On August 26 2011 06:22 blagoonga123 wrote:
What's the best way to abuse close positions when you happen to get them on Shattered Temple against Zerg? Does the advantage go to P or Z in this case?