EPTIt seems to have started in the RO8 in the GSL with Naniwa vs DRG, but Oz seems to have been throwing it in every series he's played at MLG. I'd love to know if anyone's played around with it and how safe it might be.
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Xaeldaren
Ireland588 Posts
It seems to have started in the RO8 in the GSL with Naniwa vs DRG, but Oz seems to have been throwing it in every series he's played at MLG. I'd love to know if anyone's played around with it and how safe it might be. | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:39 Xaeldaren wrote: Does anyone have any rough drafts of some of the new 1 gate FE builds that've been cropping up in PvZ? It seems to have started in the RO8 in the GSL with Naniwa vs DRG, but Oz seems to have been throwing it in every series he's played at MLG. I'd love to know if anyone's played around with it and how safe it might be. One of the guys in my clan/team (BulbaProbe) posted on my clan's site about the 1gate FE build http://blitz-gaming.com/forum/topic/275-pvz-opener-we-dont-ffe-here basically he does a 1gate fe (pressures with zealot+stalker), and also gets up to 5gates and then techs up. | ||
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iremnant3847
Taiwan269 Posts
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
On July 23 2012 09:06 vizi wrote: In PvZ, I have trouble trying to keep my scout probe alive because it always gets picked off by the two initial Zerglings an opponent makes. How should I maneuver my probe and what are some excellent places to hide it? Why does it need to be out on the map? All it needs to do is scout the 3rd base at 5 mins. If not send it home and send another one out. Since z-speed won't be done they won't kill it until the return journey/if at all. If you're doing an all-in that needs a proxy, make a 1-2 zealots and a stalker. You should be able to get your proxy down. | ||
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iremnant3847
Taiwan269 Posts
On July 23 2012 10:39 Abusion wrote: Why does it need to be out on the map? All it needs to do is scout the 3rd base at 5 mins. If not send it home and send another one out. Since z-speed won't be done they won't kill it until the return journey/if at all. If you're doing an all-in that needs a proxy, make a 1-2 zealots and a stalker. You should be able to get your proxy down. Are you saying that I should return my scout Probe back to base, then send it out later for the Proxy Pylon? I feel like that sort of defeats the whole idea of a 'proxy'? I guess what I'm trying to say is that wouldn't the enemy player know an attack is incoming and prepare beforehand if his scouting Zerglings die to a Zealot and Stalker? Sometimes I overthink things. However, I will try doing that from now on. Thanks for the advice! | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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rEalGuapo
Germany832 Posts
On July 22 2012 06:13 Drowsy wrote: I do the exact same thing in all my pvts, though usually I grab 2nd forge right around when +1 armor is going to finish and just stay on zealots+archon+templar all game. I don't really like this style. Here are my reasons: If you get Colossi early they are just as powerful (maybe even more) than Templar. Why even more? Because in small numbers Bio can dodge a Storm very easily but you cannot dodge a Colossus-shot. Also, Colossi force Vikings, early Colossi force early Vikings, meaning Terran will not have more than 6 Medivacs. Colossi obviously scale better with upgrades, since they get a ton out of +damage, Archons do as well but in small numbers they are easily dealt with. I feel like Colossus off of one Robo while getting double upgrades and securing a third is the best way, you can then transition into templars after +2+2 and kill Terran if he overmade Vikings. Early Templar advantage: Can catch opponent off guard and kill drops with feedback. Early Colossi advantage: Reduce Medivac production, cannot be dodged, force Marauders which are terrible against upgraded Chargelots that come with Colossi. I think Colossi are way better to aim for in the early stages. Plus, if Terran does some funky business of Bunker rushing or something like that, Immortals will come very handy! My Question: Does anybody know a good PvP opener that can transition into a macro game? I feel like a Immortal expansion is weak to Blinkstalker builds and Blinkstalker Robo loses to 4gate Blinkstalkers (I see that surprisingly often) Mid Master EU here. | ||
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Abusion
United Kingdom184 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:21 rEalGuapo wrote: I don't really like this style. Here are my reasons: If you get Colossi early they are just as powerful (maybe even more) than Templar. Why even more? Because in small numbers Bio can dodge a Storm very easily but you cannot dodge a Colossus-shot. Also, Colossi force Vikings, early Colossi force early Vikings, meaning Terran will not have more than 6 Medivacs. Colossi obviously scale better with upgrades, since they get a ton out of +damage, Archons do as well but in small numbers they are easily dealt with. I feel like Colossus off of one Robo while getting double upgrades and securing a third is the best way, you can then transition into templars after +2+2 and kill Terran if he overmade Vikings. Early Templar advantage: Can catch opponent off guard and kill drops with feedback. Early Colossi advantage: Reduce Medivac production, cannot be dodged, force Marauders which are terrible against upgraded Chargelots that come with Colossi. I think Colossi are way better to aim for in the early stages. Plus, if Terran does some funky business of Bunker rushing or something like that, Immortals will come very handy! My Question: Does anybody know a good PvP opener that can transition into a macro game? I feel like a Immortal expansion is weak to Blinkstalker builds and Blinkstalker Robo loses to 4gate Blinkstalkers (I see that surprisingly often) Mid Master EU here. How can you get double forge and collosus off of 2 base and not die to drops? I feel when I do that when the terran comes I don't have range and have 1 maybe 2 at max collosus and no gas to feed into stalkers. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On July 24 2012 00:32 Abusion wrote: How can you get double forge and collosus off of 2 base and not die to drops? I feel when I do that when the terran comes I don't have range and have 1 maybe 2 at max collosus and no gas to feed into stalkers. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=292549. Also i've seen people go fast colossus and throwing down the double forges at 9 minutes or so when they have a stronger army; it has less lategame potential but you are safer vs medivac timings. Really the key to defending drops is just minimap awareness and smart obs positioning, more than specific builds. | ||
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ineversmile
United States583 Posts
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cRsJoaoccf
Brazil14 Posts
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
On July 24 2012 02:51 cRsJoaoccf wrote: Hey guys! I’m having some problems against 1 base collosi all in. I don’t know if I make Stalker, Zealot, Immortal, Colossus or if i expand ): He hits me with a lot of Zealots and 2 or 3 Colossi. If I FF his Zealots, it’ll be broken. Then his Zealots kill my Stalkers easily. And if I make Zealots? Colossi will destroy them. And my Immortal can’t snipe his Colossi because their range upgrade. I’m rly confused about this ): Drop the Immortals on his Colossus with a Warp prism. You can even do this while he's moving across the map if he has little or no Stalkers. | ||
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cRsJoaoccf
Brazil14 Posts
On July 24 2012 02:58 CecilSunkure wrote: Drop the Immortals on his Colossus with a Warp prism. You can even do this while he's moving across the map if he has little or no Stalkers. Ok, and what about the Zealots? They will crush the rest of my army ): | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On July 24 2012 03:02 cRsJoaoccf wrote: Ok, and what about the Zealots? They will crush the rest of my army ): Assuming you went for an immortal expand opening, you should have more gateway units than him. Ideally you want 4-5 gateways pumping units and as many immortals as possible. Alej had vods of such defense around a while ago but i can't find them on his youtube channel  | ||
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cRsJoaoccf
Brazil14 Posts
On July 24 2012 03:08 Teoita wrote: Assuming you went for an immortal expand opening, you should have more gateway units than him. Ideally you want 4-5 gateways pumping units and as many immortals as possible. Alej had vods of such defense around a while ago but i can't find them on his youtube channel Should i avoide making Zealots? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
Nah a good zealot/stalker combination will do. You don't want too many sentries though since those don't do anything if he has colossi. What i personally do lately (not sure if this is good) when immortal expanding vs 1base colossus is pulling 2 probes off gas leaving only 4, since zealot/stalker/immortal isn't too gas intensive. Note, only do this if you know he is 1base allining you. | ||
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cRsJoaoccf
Brazil14 Posts
On July 24 2012 03:18 Teoita wrote: Nah a good zealot/stalker combination will do. You don't want too many sentries though since those don't do anything if he has colossi. What i personally do lately (not sure if this is good) when immortal expanding vs 1base colossus is pulling 2 probes off gas leaving only 4, since zealot/stalker/immortal isn't too gas intensive. Note, only do this if you know he is 1base allining you. Hm ok! Ty very much dude :D | ||
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CecilSunkure
United States2829 Posts
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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monk
United States8476 Posts
On July 24 2012 10:01 Sated wrote: General question: What do you do if you open 2 Gate Robo against Terran and scout that they're going for a 2 Port Banshee opening? I don't have a replay because this hasn't actually happened to me yet, but I figured it will someday and I don't want to flat-out die to it. At the point where I'd scout the Terran with my first Observer, I'd have a Stalker, 3 Sentries and a Zealot (or maybe another Zealot and another Sentry depending on the size of the map). I'd also be constructing a Forge. My initial thought was that I should cancel the Forge, throw down a Stargate for Phoenixes ASAP whilst making mostly Zealots from my Gateways, cutting Probes at around 35 and adding more Gateways as affordable (a 2 Port Banshee opening usually indicates some sort of Banshee/Marine timing, which I think Phoenix/Zealot would do well against). Is that the correct type of response? It's in my protoss FAQs. By the time you scout it, you should already have an expansion building. Throw down a stargate and forge immediately. Proceed to make cannons at the front and phoenix, while focusing on zealots for your ground forces. This is all assuming it's a 1 base 2 port banshee all-in. | ||
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