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Sated
England4983 Posts
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DW-Unrec
492 Posts
Cuz TBH I don't like templars, the only plus that they give is a free blink upgrade. Which leads me to the second question: I'm always confused about what protoss can afford, for e.g. blink, immortal and 6 gates off 2 bases. Is this affordable and a viable build in all matchups? | ||
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Sated
England4983 Posts
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On June 09 2012 00:11 Sated wrote: The best idea is to get an early Robotics Facility/Hallucination and to then use an Observer/Hallucination to work out what the opponent is up to. 4gate Robo Immortal/Sentry/Stalker -> Third Base/Colossi when playing against styles that don't involve Mutalisks. 6gate Blink Stalker -> Third Base/Templar when playing against styles that do involve Mutalisks. If templars or colossi are the best to begin with really depends on your initial build, your opponent, and the map. Colossus are great on maps where there are opportunities for exploiting cliffwalking while templars are great with storm for choke-heavy maps and for breaking force-fields and such with archons. If your build involves an early robo it's often quicker to go colossus, but otoh if you intend to get blink or more than +1/+1, you need that twilight anyway. You can't give a clear cut answer to questions like this as so many factors matter, and no matter which path you choose you'll eventually want both, and you'll start teching towards whatever your initial choice wasn't fairly soon after you start producing the first. | ||
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Mikelius
Germany517 Posts
1. Should I do the 4 gate zealot +1 attack at the Zerg's 3rd? It seems Zergs these days have gotten a lot better at sniffing out proxy pylons and being pretty prepared when it comes to this timing. Or should I just go forge, nexus, gate, cycore, twilight -> 6 gates? 2. What are some tips to prevent or reduce a Zerg's scouting effectiveness with the new Ovie speed? 3. Should I delay my push in order to get out a single observer and/or a warp prism? | ||
Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
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Teoita
Italy12247 Posts
On June 09 2012 00:28 Mikelius wrote: Hey guys, I've got a couple of questions regarding the 7 gate blink with +2 attack all in PvZ. 1. Should I do the 4 gate zealot +1 attack at the Zerg's 3rd? It seems Zergs these days have gotten a lot better at sniffing out proxy pylons and being pretty prepared when it comes to this timing. Or should I just go forge, nexus, gate, cycore, twilight -> 6 gates? 2. What are some tips to prevent or reduce a Zerg's scouting effectiveness with the new Ovie speed? 3. Should I delay my push in order to get out a single observer and/or a warp prism? The answer to all of those is, it comes down to personal preference. MC regularly does 4gate zealot into 7gate blink, while other people (genius vs drg in the gsl finals on cloud kingdom for example) go straight for blink. There's advantages and disadvantages to both builds. If you go for the 4gate pressure it's highly unlikely you will deny scouting since your units will be on the map trying to secure a proxy pylon spot, rather than in your main searching for ovies. If you don't go for 4gate zealot, then just watch where his overlords are placed, but your initial 2 ranged units close by and the twilight somewhere they will have a hard time reaching. Again, depends. If you go for 4 sentries, the warp prism helps because you can blink into the main, ff the ramp etc. With a pure blink stalker allin, not worth it imo. Same goes for obs vs no obs; the only thing you get is you can deal with burrowed roaches. | ||
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YouMakingMeCrazyGirl
Lithuania2 Posts
1. http://i.imgur.com/3YdYH.png 2. back to step 1 3. watch step 1 again User was banned for this post and for being a previously banned user. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On June 08 2012 18:08 JaxxUK wrote: I hear it on incontrols and whiteRAs stream. They have this squishy sound for when they can't warp in units. Where do they get this from  This comes with the game, the sound happens when you press "w" while all of you warpgates are on cooldown. | ||
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Chillypill
Denmark25 Posts
On June 09 2012 00:21 TheExodus wrote: If templars or colossi are the best to begin with really depends on your initial build, your opponent, and the map. Colossus are great on maps where there are opportunities for exploiting cliffwalking while templars are great with storm for choke-heavy maps and for breaking force-fields and such with archons. If your build involves an early robo it's often quicker to go colossus, but otoh if you intend to get blink or more than +1/+1, you need that twilight anyway. You can't give a clear cut answer to questions like this as so many factors matter, and no matter which path you choose you'll eventually want both, and you'll start teching towards whatever your initial choice wasn't fairly soon after you start producing the first. You are pretty much forced to get robo even if you want to get twilight tech. Without observer you will die to cloak bancheese, DT, Borrowed roaches with tunnel claws, also you wont be able to scout and remove creep. Ofcause you can use halucination for scouting. But my point is just that robo is such a core tech that it is forced allmost every game that goes beyond 1base | ||
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TheExodus
293 Posts
On June 09 2012 01:16 Chillypill wrote: You are pretty much forced to get robo even if you want to get twilight tech. Without observer you will die to cloak bancheese, DT, Borrowed roaches with tunnel claws, also you wont be able to scout and remove creep. Ofcause you can use halucination for scouting. But my point is just that robo is such a core tech that it is forced allmost every game that goes beyond 1base Yes, but depending on what you scout you may not need it immediately. As I said, you'll want both eventually. | ||
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JaxxUK
20 Posts
On June 08 2012 09:46 JaxxUK wrote: Hi all, something I have noticed on Protoss streams that Alot of these pros use a different warp in sound. The sound effect Sounds really helpful how would I get hold of it? I had no luck searching TL so i came here. Going to bump this question, really struggling to sourceExample of what Im talking about an answer. When WhiteRa is warping in units at 9:50 you can hear that warp in sound which is different from the normal warp in sound. Just listen to when he selects warp gate. | ||
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ysnake
Bosnia-Herzegovina261 Posts
On June 09 2012 00:57 YouMakingMeCrazyGirl wrote: 3 steps to play protoss: 1. http://i.imgur.com/3YdYH.png 2. back to step 1 3. watch step 1 again User was banned for this post and for being a previously banned user. Even though this is insulting, it is kind-of true. All of Protoss below Diamond are playing like this. User was warned for this post | ||
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XxJuicexX
United States48 Posts
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Chandra
United States123 Posts
Here's the replay: http://drop.sc/194487 | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
On June 09 2012 11:33 ysnake wrote: Even though this is insulting, it is kind-of true. All of Protoss below Diamond are playing like this. I am bored of this shit. >_< This anti-Protoss tirade on TL is tiresome. But now within the Protoss Help Me Thread? (It's Iike walking into the Citadel and spitting at the Conclave.) I follow this thread pretty closely, and as a low level Protoss learn a lot from reading it. Strangely enough, I don't think "just 1A more" has ever been offered as advice. | ||
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Chandra
United States123 Posts
On June 09 2012 13:58 aZealot wrote: I am tired of this shit. >_< This anti-Protoss tirade on TL is tiresome. But now within the Protoss Help Me Thread? (It's Iike walking into the Citadel and spitting at the Conclave.) I follow this thread pretty closely, and as a low level Protoss learn a lot from reading it. Strangely enough, I don't think "just 1A more" has ever been offered as advice. Categorizing a race as imbalanced or easy makes people feel better about themselves not being good in a matchup. In reality it doesn't do anything for them other than hampering their ability to improve. Their loss. | ||
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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
On June 09 2012 12:50 XxJuicexX wrote: Recently swicthed to Protoss from zerg. What's better vs Zerg, 6 gate or 7 gate? 6gates and u can have blink and +2 7gate you probably going 1-1 with zealots and a few more sentries. | ||
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JaxxUK
20 Posts
On June 09 2012 01:04 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote: This comes with the game, the sound happens when you press "w" while all of you warpgates are on cooldown. Really? I guess I didnt know that because I use a custom grid set up. Then why doesnt the sound work for people who dont use W to warp in ?? Thanks though! | ||
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RageBot
Israel1530 Posts
Are there other highly recommanded BOs for beginners out there? Preferrably ones with a fast Nexus. | ||
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