The Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 232

On May 08 2012 12:27 aZealot wrote:
Is that Tyler's anti 4 Gate from pre WG nerf? The one with precise timings resulting in a super fast Robo/Immortal?

As to the second part of your question, mate, don't worry about it. Just play it against T, have fun and try it out. You'll learn stuff along the way and, who knows, be even able to share it with your Brotoss in the future too.

On May 09 2012 06:17 adfasd wrote:

yeah it that one that Day[9] did a steal this build about. but i dind't know it was nerfed. what made it nerfed.. i can get out all the thing at the same time he did.....atleast i think i do

On May 09 2012 06:32 adfasd wrote:
is it outdated bc it is bad or is it outdated just bc it is not what is popular? i liked how strong of a unit composition i got fast and how i could put pressure back on with it if i was not attacked

On May 10 2012 01:28 TheExodus wrote:
Does anyone have a few replays of 1gate FE holding off early marine and marine+scv rushes?

On May 10 2012 04:50 -YoricK- wrote:
What do you guys do in PvT when you are forced into a potential base trade scenario? Had a game on Korhal where we both walked around each other on the map and got into a basetrade. I had watchtower control but he just walked around them. I chose to just attack his third, but he lifted and i just killed all his scvs there, and then went back to kill his army. However, even with templar for storm at my third he was able to wipe out my third, my nat, and a sizable amount of my production at my main with a drop. Seems like a game you just lose by luck, I had way more map vision than him, he had none and just happened to walk over to my third right when I was moving to his base and could just kill everything. At this point the game was basically over as I had no economy, a weakend army, and he just landed his third and lifted his main to a 4th base.

On May 10 2012 04:54 SkyBlaze wrote:


you can hold that all-in by cancelling the nexus and building 3 pylons on the top of the ramp, you should have a probe and stalker at the terrans' front for scouting. 1 zealot at home. CB the stalkers and cancel warp gate for more stalkers. while doing this kite marines and scvs with stalker. make sure you build the last pylon after your stalker gets home. then kite with stalkers using the pylon wall. after the wall falls send in zealot with probes pulled to hold leave like 5 probes or so on minerals to make more units.

I don't have replays due to most ppl don't do this all in anymore that I personal play.

Now for my question i've been thinking lately if scout after gate or scout after pylon ( should it be map dependent? i;e gate scout on 2 player maps and plyon scout on 4 player maps)

On May 10 2012 06:10 TheExodus wrote:
I just saw a 1-gate FE build that strike me as odd... It's basically gate on 13, nexus on 22, then gas, core, forge, more gates.

This seems to be like a really unsafe build, but I was told by the player that it's safe against anything but a 2-rax or fast 1/1/1. Can that really be true? Since the core is so severely delayed it seems to me you're very vulnerable to anyone who knows how to stutter step?

On May 10 2012 01:28 TheExodus wrote:
Does anyone have a few replays of 1gate FE holding off early marine and marine+scv rushes?

On May 10 2012 04:50 -YoricK- wrote:
What do you guys do in PvT when you are forced into a potential base trade scenario? Had a game on Korhal where we both walked around each other on the map and got into a basetrade. I had watchtower control but he just walked around them. I chose to just attack his third, but he lifted and i just killed all his scvs there, and then went back to kill his army. However, even with templar for storm at my third he was able to wipe out my third, my nat, and a sizable amount of my production at my main with a drop. Seems like a game you just lose by luck, I had way more map vision than him, he had none and just happened to walk over to my third right when I was moving to his base and could just kill everything. At this point the game was basically over as I had no economy, a weakend army, and he just landed his third and lifted his main to a 4th base.

On May 10 2012 07:14 TOdesKaMpF wrote:


I disagree with skyblaze. When 1g FE'ing, the norm seems to be you get your stalker, and your zealot then you drop your expand. After this, you make another stalker, add on two gates and chrono WG. If you use your first two stalkers to kite across map your WG will finish in time, and you will have no problem defending with a little bit of micro.

Now, the way this differs from a normal 1g expo is that, if you can confirm he has a CC you don't need to rush the 3g's or the chrono on WG, but if you're unsure if it's an all in or not, rushing WG +3g's will result in an easy hold. Retreating into your main gives terran way too much value in just sending his scv's home and doing DMG w/ the pure marine.



You don't ever want to be in a base-trade scenario w/ terran. Terran's buildings can lift, his army is more mobile, and overall it is just a nightmare.

Make sure you have entire map vision, i.e. the towers, a pylon in every attackpath, etc etc. You just don't want this to happen.

The best way of dealing with it though (if you have to) i have found is that to make sure i have enough money for a SG, and a voidray (so he can't force a draw). Use your main army to snipe down his cc's and scv's, then right away try to salvage what's left of your base.

Don't let the game progress back into a macro state though, as he will have the majority of his production buildings and as-well mules. He will grow exponentially far ahead, so you must chase him around the map and kill him.

On May 10 2012 09:04 SkyBlaze wrote:]
you would be right if you see a 2 rax shell push, but he's talking about 11/11 2rax with all but 4 scv pulled. which the 11/11 2rax push happens at 3-4mins meaning the nexus will only be 30% done and you'll have only 1 zealot 1 stalker and another stalker about 60% done. (depending on chrono boasts)

On May 10 2012 13:48 TheExodus wrote:


Yeah, this one I've tried holding this by not expanding and chronoing an early sentry after the first stalker, but no go. Atleast it's not because of me that I only have two units out, sounds like it's hard to have more

On May 10 2012 06:10 TheExodus wrote:
I just saw a 1-gate FE build that strike me as odd... It's basically gate on 13, nexus on 22, then gas, core, forge, more gates.

This seems to be like a really unsafe build, but I was told by the player that it's safe against anything but a 2-rax or fast 1/1/1. Can that really be true? Since the core is so severely delayed it seems to me you're very vulnerable to anyone who knows how to stutter step?

On May 10 2012 17:03 Rimak wrote:

Seems like Huk's 20 food FE, with a Zealot qued (it shoudn't be actually)
Also 13 gate is pretty much standart, i like it much better than 12 gate, cuz there is no probe cut.

2 Rax is holdable, because he is chronoing next 2 stalkers out.

1/1/1 - IMO as sooner you get expo, the safer it is for you.

If I'm not wrong earliest 1-1-1 hit at around 7:30.

On May 10 2012 17:08 TheExodus wrote:
The thing I don't like about it is the very late gas and core, and the extremely delayed gates. You're on a single gate producing zealots for a long time after planting your nexus...