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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-30 14:17:22
January 30 2012 14:16 GMT
#261
On January 30 2012 17:40 ashwini wrote:
-Find Jesus


It's called 'Where's Wally' actually.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Jazzman88
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada2228 Posts
January 30 2012 14:24 GMT
#262
starcraft is not a game of just macro'ing and micro'ing to defeat your opponent, it is a game where you must first conquer yourself


A statement that is true about most of the truly deep strategy games (SC2, chess, Go, etc.) as well as many martial arts.

I've actually found that adopting a similar routine in SC2 laddering to the practicing I do on my musical instrument has helped immensely. Even though the muscles and techniques aren't related, the process of growth and learning can be applied across any discipline.

More specifically in regards to strategy, it is always better to respect your opponent than not. Respect (i.e. positive attitude) means you don't walk into a trap. Arrogance and BM gets you killed.
Hyp3
Profile Joined June 2011
United States41 Posts
January 30 2012 14:43 GMT
#263
Great advice Tang! You have celiac disease? My whole family are celiacs. It definitely a tough illness to deal with.
Believe it
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
January 31 2012 08:18 GMT
#264
"starcraft is not a game of just macro'ing and micro'ing to defeat your opponent, it is a game where you must first conquer yourself"

See what I mean?

Cmon, dont make things so complicated. The same could be said with soccer. Soccer is not a game of scoring goals. It is a game where you must first develop a healthy lifestyle, train hard.

.....
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
February 01 2012 14:16 GMT
#265
On January 30 2012 23:05 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
Positive Mindset: The Key to SC2

Its more like

Positive Mindset: The Key to everything.

Seriously Tang, the TL community appreciates the work you have contributed, but please stop making so many topics like this...which makes me think, are you just trying to gain popularity by spamming topics?

Do not get me wrong, I think this is a good criticism (apologies if it sounds a lil rude) but some of your guides are really good, and there is no need to make so many guides. Focus on a few first, then think about writing more guides.


First of all, I made this post months ago lol that can hardly be called "spamming topics." Also, if it's a helpful concept that may ease people's frustration and ladder anxiety, why wouldn't I write a post on it? You're basically saying "Hey Tang, you write good guides but stop."
If you think I write good guides, why would I intentionally limit the amount of content I produce? I usually write a guide a week, because that's what I have time for.
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Drowzee
Profile Joined June 2011
40 Posts
April 09 2012 18:57 GMT
#266
im currently on a gamestreak of 3 wins / 20 losses during the past 3 days. i decide to take a break and am super confident to start a new ladder session. but the first game i play is a lose and all the frustration is back in my mind and i want to hurt myself because i play totally unacceptable. most of my mistakes are result of poor decission making (wrong units, horrible fighting position, unable to defend drops) but in the simple Q&A thread there was said "decision making is learned by playing a ton of games".

how do i overcome the frustration after the first game, which is a loss? doesnt matter what my enemy decides to throw at me, banelings only, immortal drop, hellion drop, roach only. everything works against me because of crappy decision making.

i really love the game but i hate myself because i am unable to win games.

in the past i was so frustrated because of situations like that so i uninstalled starcraft out of rage and didnt play for about 5 months. and when i restart after that break my MMR is as high as before, but my skill dropped because of not playing. so i keep losing then aswell. im so desperate and i hate myself..

right now i am diamond toss (soon to be silver)

i really want to play for fun, but losing 6 games in a row every time is no fun for me
Sianos
Profile Joined April 2011
580 Posts
April 09 2012 19:06 GMT
#267
The answer is quite simple. Just play for the reason to have fun and to improve. If you want to become better you need to struggle, that´s what a few korean pro gamer said. If you are frustrated after a loss streak you don´t have enough fun playing SC2. When i move command all my marines into banelings i just laugh at it and make a funny comment to my opponent. In a game aggainst a friend, where i played Zerg i destroyed a destructable rock with all my banelings right when he attacked me. It was really stupid but we both were laughing. It´s really important to enjoy playing SC2 unless you can´t deal with these frustrations about weird situations which allways happen. Just laugh and play the next game.
ReachTheSky
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3294 Posts
April 09 2012 19:15 GMT
#268
Positive mindset is the key to life in general :D good post though +1
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Lionbacker
Profile Joined March 2012
United States47 Posts
April 09 2012 21:43 GMT
#269
Yeah, this is probably my favorite post that I have read thus far. Attitude is everything, especially with this game.

As a side note, RTS provides a different type of community than other games (for the most part!). This community is overall respectful and courteous. It should be that way too considering how stressful and frustrating things can get at times. Ever play 1st person shooters? If you find 1 person with good manners it's a shock. Got sick of being called a "camper" by 8 year olds. 8 year olds who were using "f" bombs in sequences I have never heard before.
PeanutsNJam
Profile Joined April 2011
United States175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 21:49:26
April 09 2012 21:48 GMT
#270
On April 10 2012 06:43 Lionbacker wrote:
Yeah, this is probably my favorite post that I have read thus far. Attitude is everything, especially with this game.

As a side note, RTS provides a different type of community than other games (for the most part!). This community is overall respectful and courteous. It should be that way too considering how stressful and frustrating things can get at times. Ever play 1st person shooters? If you find 1 person with good manners it's a shock. Got sick of being called a "camper" by 8 year olds. 8 year olds who were using "f" bombs in sequences I have never heard before.


The internet? Respectful and courteous? Surely you jest! I think 99% of FPS players don't say or do anything while they play. I'd rather be ignored than endure the BM that is common on SC2 ladder (and custom games).
scotth85
Profile Joined April 2012
United Kingdom6 Posts
April 09 2012 22:20 GMT
#271
On July 18 2011 06:01 TangSC wrote:
Well anger CAN be fuel for dedication and learning, sure, but it's typically destructive. I think staying positive is important for maximum progress, and anything you can do while angry you can likely do while happy.


I can't say I agree, it's different for everyone. Personally I hate losing, a lot. It doesn't matter what I'm doing, I want to be the best, obviously I'm not the best at everything I do, but that's what I want. If I lose I get angry, even if I'm playing Monopoly and it's down to unlucky dice rolls, I still do not like it at all. And that's what motivates me entirely and I generally do very well on competitive games. I certainly couldn't sit and try and think positively like how you describe it because I would feel like I'm just not driven to try hard enough at all.

I do sit and look back at games I've lost and think how to improve, I refuse to accept that it's because something is OP etc, I will look back at replays and see where things went wrong and how to improve, but it's because I'm not at all happy with losing and I don't want it to happen again. I really feel like I need to get angry a lot to play competitively and play well.
TheManInBlack
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Nigeria266 Posts
September 04 2012 10:55 GMT
#272
I'm on the fence on this one.

If I've just lost a game to someone which I know could have been avoided, I'm going to be a bit pissed off. So when I search again, I'm just going to keep mute and focus on the game. "gl hf"? You say? Sometimes I just don't want to read it!
ThyLastPenguin
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom101 Posts
September 04 2012 11:26 GMT
#273
On September 04 2012 19:55 Sacred Reich wrote:
I'm on the fence on this one.

If I've just lost a game to someone which I know could have been avoided, I'm going to be a bit pissed off. So when I search again, I'm just going to keep mute and focus on the game. "gl hf"? You say? Sometimes I just don't want to read it!

A good way to not get pissed off (speaking as someone who used to throw his controller against the TV whenever I got shot in call of duty) Is to just think "Well shit. I lost a game. Better not do something stupid like what I just did again".
Just keep reminding yourself that if you lose, you're learning.
Oh, and people that don't chat when pissed of seem rather silly to me. A lot of times I don't get pissed off even to ridiculous stuff because we chatted for a bit. I remember a game where I was against a master Terran (Plat player here) who 3 pronged attacked me about 5 times, dropped me constantly and I could never catch his drops. Normally I'd be pretty pissed off, but instead I was thinking "Well this guy is really good, I shouldn't be ashamed of losing to him", told myself that next time I'd stick a cannon behind each mineral line and threw down the ggwp. I even told him after the match "Nice drops :x" and I ended up feeling great about the game, even though I lost in a spectacular manner.
I then went into the next game, played my best and roflstomped my opponent.

Seriously, Idle chat does wonder for the mindset. I've never raged in a game where we're chatting.
"Stephano is pretty much saving SC2 one hidden knife and pedophile joke at a time." - Fionn
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
September 04 2012 11:52 GMT
#274
I actually play a lot better when I am a little angry. It gives me that in the moment focus. In team games if a bm asshat on my team is on the other team in the next game. Or if I get rematched in a 1v1 where I lost. I almost never lose the second game.

Now if I could only get that mindset on demand, I'm just to cool normally. I actually think I would go up a whole league if I was in that mode all the time.
The worst kinds of organized crime are religion & government.
Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
September 04 2012 12:13 GMT
#275
Watch every replay and identify what you did wrong. For me it is almost always not reading my opponent correctly.

I am also a huge advocate of physical exercise; I play so well after a run and some stretching and push-ups as this puts endorphins in the brain as well as increased blood flow allowing for better flexibility (adapting to your opponents strategy), reaction time and overall enjoyment of the game.

Food for thought: A short time ago (relative to the age of homo-sapiens), the average human ran 25km per day... Go figure.
Eat like a King, Train like a Champion, Sleep like a Baby
Asukurra
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom50 Posts
September 04 2012 12:31 GMT
#276
For anyone who is very interested on this Topic i have just finished reading a book called 'Play to Win' its written by a Street fighter 4 Pro (ex now i think) and is dedicated to the improvement of yourself and using your attitude to your advantage, be it a posititve mindset or just a angry mindset, using it to its strenghs, for example one thing he did before playing in a major event was to get himself a little bit annoyed as the physical reaction to fight or flight (either) is increased physical actions and thought speed so sc wise, more APM and increased vision detection (noticeing things moving on minimap) Its a very good read and covers a lot of thoughts and how to play in basicly all moods using them to your advantage
yevoc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States93 Posts
September 04 2012 16:58 GMT
#277
On September 04 2012 20:26 ThyLastPenguin wrote:
Oh, and people that don't chat when pissed of seem rather silly to me. A lot of times I don't get pissed off even to ridiculous stuff because we chatted for a bit. I remember a game where I was against a master Terran (Plat player here) who 3 pronged attacked me about 5 times, dropped me constantly and I could never catch his drops. Normally I'd be pretty pissed off, but instead I was thinking "Well this guy is really good, I shouldn't be ashamed of losing to him", told myself that next time I'd stick a cannon behind each mineral line and threw down the ggwp. I even told him after the match "Nice drops :x" and I ended up feeling great about the game, even though I lost in a spectacular manner.
I then went into the next game, played my best and roflstomped my opponent.

Seriously, Idle chat does wonder for the mindset. I've never raged in a game where we're chatting.


+1

It reminds me of Stephano at IPL4 when he said "I am very prude [proud] of my play. Whoever I will lose to next will be a Korean, so I am happy no matter what."

For me, there are very few (if any) games where I lose to truly bad/stupid players. If I tell myself that I lost to a decent player, I come away feeling much better that high quality play took me down.

Anyone who's still playing SC2 is SO much better than the average SC2 player when the game launched. I know this for a fact because I took a very long break from the game, and it's like everyone moved up a league or two. Even Bronze players have practiced builds and timings now! Remember when they used to 1-base while randomly building a few bunkers/turrets and then call it good?

Losing to anyone before HotS shouldn't upset you as much, because everyone has gotten damn good. Just remember that if you're still playing this game, you're way better than almost all people who'll only return after HotS launches. I don't care if you're Bronze right now. You're playing against people who have a clue, and losing to them isn't shameful.
"If they have some strange build going on, just go %$#ing kill them" - Day9
nottapro
Profile Joined August 2012
202 Posts
September 04 2012 20:12 GMT
#278
I think its a great idea to develop a positive attitude, before and after the game. But during... is too much of a distraction.
Channel Pressure
Profile Joined July 2011
United States62 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-05 01:05:55
September 05 2012 01:03 GMT
#279
I honestly believe what the OP expressed is at the heart of why NA in general does not breed very good players. Your mindset is essential to being a good player. I don't know that you need to go into full on cheeseball self-talk (by the way if that works for you great, im not knocking it) but you should come into every game respectfully, and not attitude out when you get cheesed, or make accusations of units or races being OP. Unfortunately theirs alot of ego and attitude on ladder. Maybe some people don't care, and thats fine. But if you are wanting to get good at this game, mental health is ESSENTIAL to your success. SC II is such a mental game, you cant afford to come in in need of an attitude adjustment.

I can't tell you how many games i've won just because the other guy was mentally in bad shape.


Great post, seriously
"A pastor I was listening to was talking about Job and referenced that his belongings had been burned down by marauders -- and heres where I blew it -- I immediately and arbitrarily replied aloud, "Were they stimmed?"
Scare-CroW
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada54 Posts
September 05 2012 09:48 GMT
#280
Thanks, great post.
Definitely know some friends who could use this.
As a matter of fact, i'd reccomend this to anyone who ladders frequently.
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