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Moobutt
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1996 Posts
July 03 2011 01:46 GMT
#61
Maybe consider hiding a gateway somewhere so that if your opponent does manage to scout he sees a 3 gate robo. Although only one gas would alert him that something fishy is up.
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 03 2011 01:48 GMT
#62
On July 03 2011 10:46 Moobutt wrote:
Maybe consider hiding a gateway somewhere so that if your opponent does manage to scout he sees a 3 gate robo. Although only one gas would alert him that something fishy is up.


I've played around with the idea but actually doing it is pretty inefficient.

You don't have room in the build for a 3rd pylon in time to get a gateway up in time.

Hiding the 1-2 gates in your base by your 2nd pylon usually does the trick.
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ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
July 03 2011 02:09 GMT
#63
Terribly well written, the Engagement section really made me break out into a full grin. This rush is both fun and my newest reason to put scrap station back into my map pool!
A time to live.
Keilah
Profile Joined May 2010
731 Posts
July 03 2011 02:44 GMT
#64
Probably silly but could be better in certain situations, plus would make you feel like a COMPLETE baller:

Build a forge instead of a 4th gate, send a probe+3zlots instead of 4 zlots in the prism, and use the prism's power field to start building cannon(s). You can also build a pylon to power the cannon + future warpins, and move the prism away so you have options of where to warp in + the expensive prism is less likely to die. FYI the cannon and (duh) pylon will continue to warp in once the prism moves away, you only need power to begin the warpin and to power it after it completes. Small bonus of doing this is that you have a forge up for upgrades / defensive cannons if the game doesn't end on the spot.

Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 03 2011 19:50 GMT
#65
On July 03 2011 11:44 Keilah wrote:
Probably silly but could be better in certain situations, plus would make you feel like a COMPLETE baller:

Build a forge instead of a 4th gate, send a probe+3zlots instead of 4 zlots in the prism, and use the prism's power field to start building cannon(s). You can also build a pylon to power the cannon + future warpins, and move the prism away so you have options of where to warp in + the expensive prism is less likely to die. FYI the cannon and (duh) pylon will continue to warp in once the prism moves away, you only need power to begin the warpin and to power it after it completes. Small bonus of doing this is that you have a forge up for upgrades / defensive cannons if the game doesn't end on the spot.



Sounds worthy of a try
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Keilah
Profile Joined May 2010
731 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-03 22:33:23
July 03 2011 22:32 GMT
#66
Oh and if you go 3gate + forge instead of 4gate, you can probably sneak in an extra probe or two because the forge can be built much later than the 4th gate without delaying your timings.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 04 2011 02:47 GMT
#67
looks like I can have the stalker;2 zealots at the front, 3 zels dropped in, 3 zealots warping into the mineral line and a cannon started in the mineral line at 6:30. I'll see if I get do it any better with some more testing. I managed to squeeze in 4 more probes, as well.
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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-04 02:55:30
July 04 2011 02:55 GMT
#68
This is a really great build, I always use this close air position Metalopolis PvT. It's funny when you abuse the smoke in the back of their base too. They run in trying to kill your units but they cant kite the Zealots if you keep them in the smoke.
Keilah
Profile Joined May 2010
731 Posts
July 04 2011 11:59 GMT
#69
On July 04 2011 11:47 Alejandrisha wrote:
looks like I can have the stalker;2 zealots at the front, 3 zels dropped in, 3 zealots warping into the mineral line and a cannon started in the mineral line at 6:30. I'll see if I get do it any better with some more testing. I managed to squeeze in 4 more probes, as well.


Or 3 probes and a geyser.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 04 2011 15:32 GMT
#70
On July 04 2011 20:59 Keilah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2011 11:47 Alejandrisha wrote:
looks like I can have the stalker;2 zealots at the front, 3 zels dropped in, 3 zealots warping into the mineral line and a cannon started in the mineral line at 6:30. I'll see if I get do it any better with some more testing. I managed to squeeze in 4 more probes, as well.


Or 3 probes and a geyser.


Eh, I don't really like the 2nd gas for this build, and the cannon variation makes stalkers less necessary. I've even been pulling a probe off of gas after the robo starts since you build up a lot of excess gas. I think it's important to have some gas on hand in case you need an observer or some stalkers, but in no way do you need the 2nd one very early.
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Keilah
Profile Joined May 2010
731 Posts
July 04 2011 22:59 GMT
#71
I was thinking more along the lines of sentries tbh, they could be useful to buy time for your cannon to complete, or to lock the scvs in with your zealots, or to reduce frontage slightly when they a-move SCV/MM. I'd assume 5zlots 1sentry would be more effective than 6 zlots, no? Especially if the sentry can somehow be made early enough that it has 2 FFs or a GS.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 05 2011 13:57 GMT
#72
Eh you need to be careful, though. You're down from 4 zealots coming out of the warp prism to 3 zealots + a probe, now you want 2 zealots a probe and a sentry.. doesn't seem to explosive to me. I think you need more power and less finesse with this.
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ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13410 Posts
July 05 2011 14:48 GMT
#73
This is a great strat if the opponent decides to go for a mass cannon FE :/ It happened on tal'darim and I thought OH! IDIOT! I can expand with impunity! Take out his 4th push into his 3rd and destroy some 50 cannons, then WTF-CARRIERS!?

Next time I queued I played again and I did this warp prism thing. It was awesome.
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Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
July 05 2011 14:50 GMT
#74
On July 05 2011 22:57 Alejandrisha wrote:
Eh you need to be careful, though. You're down from 4 zealots coming out of the warp prism to 3 zealots + a probe, now you want 2 zealots a probe and a sentry.. doesn't seem to explosive to me. I think you need more power and less finesse with this.

There is the special variant which is the sentry drop all-in, that some Korean pros have shown off. You make sentries early to put in your prism, catch the terran (or zerg) army when they're out of the base protecting a new expansion, and keep the ramp perma-forcefielded whilst warping into his main off four gates. I believe there'd be a thread on it around somewhere.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 05 2011 14:58 GMT
#75
On July 05 2011 23:50 Jumbled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:57 Alejandrisha wrote:
Eh you need to be careful, though. You're down from 4 zealots coming out of the warp prism to 3 zealots + a probe, now you want 2 zealots a probe and a sentry.. doesn't seem to explosive to me. I think you need more power and less finesse with this.

There is the special variant which is the sentry drop all-in, that some Korean pros have shown off. You make sentries early to put in your prism, catch the terran (or zerg) army when they're out of the base protecting a new expansion, and keep the ramp perma-forcefielded whilst warping into his main off four gates. I believe there'd be a thread on it around somewhere.


I understand that. This is not that, though
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Traven
Profile Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 15:24:41
July 05 2011 15:23 GMT
#76

This is a really tight BO and I can't wait to try it
Snaphoo
Profile Joined July 2010
United States614 Posts
July 05 2011 15:33 GMT
#77
There has been a cascade of good PvX builds in TL Strategy forums lately; thanks! Can't wait to get home and unleash this on some unsuspecting Terrans.
Jumbled
Profile Joined September 2010
1543 Posts
July 05 2011 15:44 GMT
#78
On July 05 2011 23:58 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 23:50 Jumbled wrote:
On July 05 2011 22:57 Alejandrisha wrote:
Eh you need to be careful, though. You're down from 4 zealots coming out of the warp prism to 3 zealots + a probe, now you want 2 zealots a probe and a sentry.. doesn't seem to explosive to me. I think you need more power and less finesse with this.

There is the special variant which is the sentry drop all-in, that some Korean pros have shown off. You make sentries early to put in your prism, catch the terran (or zerg) army when they're out of the base protecting a new expansion, and keep the ramp perma-forcefielded whilst warping into his main off four gates. I believe there'd be a thread on it around somewhere.


I understand that. This is not that, though

True. What I should have said was that he shouldn't be half-hearted about going sentries. Either do the build designed to abuse force-field, or don't worry about them. I agree with completely what you said, I just wanted to mention the alternatives for a more complete picture.
silverhand
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States91 Posts
July 05 2011 22:04 GMT
#79
Been having so much fun with this build. Even after this post has been up for weeks, I'm still finding terrans shocked when I use it. I've thought about adding cannons, but haven't tried yet because it seems like it would be fragile against some MM builds...at least getting the cannon up and then protecting it as warp prisms die so quickly to marines.
/me ponders
CombatFan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada6 Posts
July 05 2011 22:53 GMT
#80
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