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Keilah
Profile Joined May 2010
731 Posts
July 05 2011 22:59 GMT
#81
On July 06 2011 07:53 CombatFan wrote:
able to warp stuff into your opponents base, which doesn't seem like a big deal imo


lol
djchillfit
Profile Joined June 2011
4 Posts
July 05 2011 23:57 GMT
#82
Hi Alejandrisha,

Just wanted to say thanks for the build, this is really fun to play and really effective at my level. Been using it in PvT and PvP and so far so good.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 06 2011 01:19 GMT
#83
On July 06 2011 07:53 CombatFan wrote:
This build will almost definitly not work as you can do almost the exact same thing with a warp prism as you can do with a pylon, except with a pylon you don't need a robo (200mins/100gas), and a warpprism (200mins)
so you save yourself 400mins and 100gas, only to give up not being able to warp stuff into your opponents base, which doesn't seem like a big deal imo


5/5 xD
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McKracken
Profile Joined October 2010
4 Posts
July 06 2011 02:19 GMT
#84
FYI - I created a YABOT Build Order for this;

http://www.sc2builds.com/build/1874

As a newer player, Yabot helps me get a feel for how to execute build orders - also, because I'm a newer player, the transcription may need some tweeking. The time values are taken from the Alejandrisha vs AI replay. Please do let me know if there is anything glaringly wrong with the timings.

Thanks Alejandrisha for the BO! I'll be practicing this one for sure.
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
July 06 2011 07:52 GMT
#85
Don't know how I only found this now but thank you. I do my own bastardized unrefined version of this build, but now I can get the timings. Thank you.
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mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
July 06 2011 19:09 GMT
#86
Now that people brought up the cannons it reminds me of the Kiwikaki vs. Machine game on Meta close air where he got a fast +1 weapons, 4 gates and warp prism. Had 7 +1 zealots in the base with cannons on the way to run back to.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
jarrydesque
Profile Joined November 2010
584 Posts
July 06 2011 23:42 GMT
#87
On July 07 2011 04:09 mordek wrote:
Now that people brought up the cannons it reminds me of the Kiwikaki vs. Machine game on Meta close air where he got a fast +1 weapons, 4 gates and warp prism. Had 7 +1 zealots in the base with cannons on the way to run back to.


Popularized as his "+1 Flying Korean Warpgate Cannonrush".
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Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-07 00:03:07
July 07 2011 00:02 GMT
#88
Relly sweet BO! I've seen white-ra do this vs Tarson recently (HD's channel)
Gonna try it out :D

How you guys think it will work on xelnaga or taldarim(not cross)?
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 08 2011 14:02 GMT
#89
On July 07 2011 09:02 Corsica wrote:
Relly sweet BO! I've seen white-ra do this vs Tarson recently (HD's channel)
Gonna try it out :D

How you guys think it will work on xelnaga or taldarim(not cross)?


You'd have to make some variations if you wanted it to work on those maps.

If you REALLY want to try it, use your scouting pylon to make your 2nd pylon at the side expansion on xel'naga and either the 3rd or the pocket expansion on teldarim (i recommend the pocket expansion, obviously :} ). You'll be proxying your robo and 1 or 2 gateways at this pylon, because you you won't have a 2nd pylon in your base to "hide" your additional gateways. I was, personally, never satisfied with doing this. It might be more efficient to use a 3rd pylon much earlier than in the original build, but it makes the rush come significantly later. If you try it and it works well, feel free to post a replay and I'll have a looksie!
get rich or die mining
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kron0s
Profile Joined March 2010
Philippines57 Posts
July 08 2011 22:07 GMT
#90
thanks for this build! this might be the first cheese i've actually had any success with on ladder. good to note that this build doesn't do to badly vs a zerg that's caught off guard either (even at 1600+ master).

like someone posted earlier, vs terran, a 3gate + forge variation actually works amazingly well. just:
-cut probes at the same time,
-after robo, instead of 3xgates then 2xpylon, go 2xgate, pylon, forge pylon.
-warp in 3zealots instead of 4 (duh), and load up a probe to go with them
-drop in their mineral line, warp 3 units at a time while building cannons at the back of the mineral line -reinforce the cannons with a pylon as soon as you can afford it

have fun, and enjoy the rage ^_^
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
July 09 2011 17:27 GMT
#91
I wish all builds were this structured and informational.

Alejandrisha you should make a PvP and a PvZ also, then my ladder builds are complete.

Nonetheless, great work. Going to practice this before season 3 starts.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
July 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#92
Great build, I'll be testing this build out on my stream today.
Cinematographer / Steadicam Operator. Former Starcraft commentator/player
IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
July 09 2011 18:16 GMT
#93
not so sure about your build

if the warp prism comes out with a 4-gate warp pressure behind it... that's deadly

but if you can't handle say initial bunker harrass into medivac harrass, or 5 speed reaper harrass (I like to go with 5 to snipe pylons and stalkers) into cloak banshee.

It's cool to go aggro, but the failings lie in its ability to deal with other aggro builds, especially aggro builds with a macro plan.
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
July 09 2011 18:17 GMT
#94
On July 10 2011 02:39 Whiplash wrote:
Great build, I'll be testing this build out on my stream today.


Nice! I am trying to find your stream though but can't
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 09 2011 18:19 GMT
#95
On July 10 2011 03:16 IzieBoy wrote:
not so sure about your build

if the warp prism comes out with a 4-gate warp pressure behind it... that's deadly

but if you can't handle say initial bunker harrass into medivac harrass, or 5 speed reaper harrass (I like to go with 5 to snipe pylons and stalkers) into cloak banshee.

It's cool to go aggro, but the failings lie in its ability to deal with other aggro builds, especially aggro builds with a macro plan.


Your failings lie with your insistance of theorycrafting in lieu of replays and evidence
get rich or die mining
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Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
July 09 2011 18:20 GMT
#96
On July 10 2011 02:27 eYeball wrote:
I wish all builds were this structured and informational.

Alejandrisha you should make a PvP and a PvZ also, then my ladder builds are complete.

Nonetheless, great work. Going to practice this before season 3 starts.


Thank you! I haven't found anything very sexy in PvP and PvZ to really make a guide about but I am always looking for gosu strats/builds that are interesting and fun to execute. I will keep my eyes peeled! Few watch as much starcraft as I do :}
get rich or die mining
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IzieBoy
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States865 Posts
July 09 2011 18:28 GMT
#97
On July 10 2011 03:19 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2011 03:16 IzieBoy wrote:
not so sure about your build

if the warp prism comes out with a 4-gate warp pressure behind it... that's deadly

but if you can't handle say initial bunker harrass into medivac harrass, or 5 speed reaper harrass (I like to go with 5 to snipe pylons and stalkers) into cloak banshee.

It's cool to go aggro, but the failings lie in its ability to deal with other aggro builds, especially aggro builds with a macro plan.


Your failings lie with your insistance of theorycrafting in lieu of replays and evidence


Okay i'll make a video of it, but the guy who does it isn't me...
Let's Do This! Leeeeeeeeeeeeeroy Jenkins!
TechnoSchaman
Profile Joined October 2010
United States156 Posts
July 14 2011 04:36 GMT
#98
A slight variation of this build (and i really mean slight) has given me great results where, right when warp prism finishes, chronoing an observer to follow has saved me from cloak banshees and counter drops.
Just recently i did this when i scouted a factory in terrans base.
my Drop hit, pulled units back from front and attacked at both ends when i noticed the banshee
The obs gets there at almost that exact moment and you still have the gas to warp in 3 stalkers with the warp prism.

I don't know if this has been added or suggested by anyone, but the build totally allows it and it doesnt affect any part of it other than giving you an obs

And again, thanks for this build Alej, you are truly a genius
sk1nex
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland299 Posts
July 14 2011 04:58 GMT
#99
Sounds cool, gotta try this out. Warp prism in general provides so much versatility that it should be abused a lot more.
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SethDrone
Profile Joined September 2010
United States51 Posts
July 22 2011 20:21 GMT
#100
Anyone still using this or have any new variations to mess around with?

Been working great at my level, just diamond. As I move out with the prism I generally start 2nd gas and a twilight council. Depending on how the attack goes and how much damage you do can followup with zealot/archon expo or go DTs if you hurt them enough and ur prism is still alive.

Not sure howh high this is still working but its damn fun while it does.
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