EPTALSO, mass mutalisks and just magic box? if hes going pure mech and no marines to support thors..... mutas are the answer honestly.
Only if he skimps on Thors. If half of his army cost is Thors, then the Muta vs Thor battle will still be equal.
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10380 Posts
Only if he skimps on Thors. If half of his army cost is Thors, then the Muta vs Thor battle will still be equal. | ||
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Bladelore
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Plenty of counters, just need to take out marines first. Gets trickier if thors come though. User was warned for this post | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10380 Posts
Burrow banelings to take out marines, drop banelings to take out tanks. Plenty of counters, just need to take out marines first. Gets trickier if thors come though. There are no marines... | ||
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therealDayMan
United States4 Posts
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shucklesors
Singapore1176 Posts
even without infestors, just rushing in a few microed speedlings will really kill sieged tanks very fast, some other lings can tank the marine hits for a bit. tldr: speedlings against tanks are so good i dont know what. User was warned for this post | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
As for unit composition, I definitely don't agree with roaches in the mid game. They just get destroyed by a good number of siege tanks with upgrades. Ling/muta is just better imo, or maybe some roaches mixed in as well, but if you get an overwhelming number of mutas and just magic box them that can work too. Lings are actually very good against tanks if you can just get to them fast enough and surround them if they don't have marines/helions to clean the lings up. Once it gets to the late game, brood lords obviously counter everything they have on the field and it should be an easy win as long as you have the economy. Siege tanks are very good, but they also have their weaknesses. They're slow, and they require the person to be set up in place for them to be effective. If you catch them off guard while they're pushing and they're not sieged then you can seriously destroy them before they even get the chance to do anything. | ||
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Kraelog
Belgium194 Posts
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ETisME
12782 Posts
Once you have the burrow tech, burrow one or two infestors depending how much you can afford to lose, spawn some infested terran on their marines and tanks and immediately charge in with your lings and banelings. the tanks will friendly fire his armies and also the infested terrans will kill off tanks quite easily. If you have neural parasite, then you can put the infested terrans in the tanks closer to his base. and when the tank fires, charge in with your army while mind controlling the tanks at front. I feel that transition to ultra is better than brood lord, simply because broodlords are too slow to move along with your army and you will need lots of infestors with high energy to protect the broodlords. Just make sure you get the cracklings out when you have hive tech. they will be so useful in denying any expansions and counter attacks. This infestor play however, is not as harassing as mutas, but infestors are much more useful in combat situations and also, they can drop infested terrans while you doing some lings runby on another base. Not to mention this type of harassment cannot be denied just by missile turrets, and the infested terrans cost nothing of your side. 2 full energy infestors can do so much damage with the infested terran, even if his army comes and clean up User was warned for this post | ||
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Jesushooves
Canada553 Posts
The way you handled siege tanks in that game was quite good, and doesn't need to be changed, all you need to do is not get a huge disadvantage early game to beat meching players. (I am referring to you as the OP, not just anyone can beat meching players  ) | ||
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Xylarthen
United States137 Posts
Furthermore, this is all situational, like any fight. Are there cliffs, air units, undetected units, etc. Marine tank can be beat with Infestor/Hive tech and some luck, Mech with tanks can be beat by a smart mobile army and expansions that they cannot attack while defending as you base up by 1-2. | ||
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Rexar123
Croatia49 Posts
On June 16 2011 08:53 Dimentio wrote: The major weakness of siege tanks is their immobility. Harass EVERYWHERE. Mutas, drops, hit their naturals. The siege tanks need to be together and supporting each other to be effective. All the while, you should be expanding and teching to BL's and supporting with Mutas to protect against the vikings. Mobility is your friend against tanks. Hit where he isn't. And if it comes down to it, base race him. He's too slow and hopefully you have for more bases than him. lol why do u wanna sound smart when u arent?? User was banned for this post. | ||
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Rexar123
Croatia49 Posts
On June 16 2011 16:08 Kraelog wrote: Destiny displayed a very interesting strategy on his stream yesterday in ZvT. His basic strategy was building up a significant count of infestors with highly upgraded slings and delay the push until Broods came into play. With 15+ (no kidding) infestors vikings become very easy to deal with and Broods counter everything on the ground. Ghosts are naturally a concern but with mass infestors it's kinda hard to EMP everything. hahahahah that is the brst TvZ strat IMO only u dont need to make broods u can also go for ultras sine u upgrade lings heavily and ultralingfestor is quite and more mobile then broodlordinfestorcoruptor(which is a bit stronger) | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
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FlaminGinjaNinja
United Kingdom879 Posts
Hellions to deal with lings Thors to deal with mutas Tanks to deal with roaches Banshees to force hydra or a spire (sometimes added in) So if you go against a Mech style player without one of it's components, except the banshee, then get the unit that it should be there to kill. In your game there were no hellions, so with mass ling you would have easily crushed a tank thor army. Obviously 0 0 lings arnt going to help, you need upgrades for this to work. Infestors are also very good vs Mech style however, you tried to NP the tanks.... thats not a good idea as you found out. Tanks do spash damage so if theres a bio army there it's a very good thing to go for, but since it was tank thor and spash damage wouldn't help that much, it would have made more sense to go for the thors, plus when it comes near the end of NP on the thor you can walk it away from the rest of the units so it's easily picked off. You could also have used infested terran to cause the tanks to fire at eachother, also if the tanks are firing at infested terran eggs when you attack then they arnt attacking your army Finally when you do successfully NP a tank, right before it wears off unseige it! | ||
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TheLOLas
United States646 Posts
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
On June 16 2011 09:39 JamesJohansen wrote: Jesus, I tend to have the same problem as this guy but it sounds like your recommending you outplay the fuck out of the Terran. I'm not saying its bad advice, but I wish there was an easier solution. Has anyone else had any luck doing drops similar to this (or more like"zealot bombs" from sc1)? AFAIK, if he only has thors for AA, the attacks won't be too effective against overlords since they're not classified as light (at least i don't think...) Forgive the noobishness of the post if its a dumb question, I'm only Gold Division eh? what he is describing is exactly the sort of style terran has to play vs zerg in nearly every game. constant pressure, drops, attacking multiple places, keeping on top of macro and really precise micro. there is no reason why zerg can't adopt a similar style to deal with terran mech. don't use 'outplay the fuck' as a thinly veiled excuse for your onw balance whines. | ||
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peppilepew
93 Posts
thats my experience vs mech at least, i used to make roaches to but tanks just demolished me:-( User was warned for this post | ||
zatic
Zurich15366 Posts
Please, listen to Jesus: On June 16 2011 16:23 Jesushooves wrote: Hmmm, it appears I am one of the few people that actually watched the replay. The reason you lost that game had absolutely nothing to do with counters, at the beginning of the game you were 15 drones to 20 scvs because of the bunker push, with a fast expo by terran on the way. If the terran did a somewhat standard 3 tank and about 20 marine stim push he would have crushed you easily. The way you handled siege tanks in that game was quite good, and doesn't need to be changed, all you need to do is not get a huge disadvantage early game to beat meching players. (I am referring to you as the OP, not just anyone can beat meching players ) | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10380 Posts
Unless in that situation we are to ignore the questions and just look at the replay? Thanks in advance. | ||
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