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Techno
1900 Posts
Hi-Sec Auto Tracking is 100/100, but can effectively shut down any Muta Harrass super hard Actually it just adds 1 range to your turrets, which the 25 mutas were going to kill anyways. The building armour upgrade is the only one I would even consider getting before 3/3 marines. Maybe if I dont make marines, but have you heard about how good they are? | ||
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
Prior to 3-3 i think they are a waste to get not because they aren't good, but because having an extra armor on marines is better in virtually every real situation. If they were upgradeable from the orbital or something I'd get the building armor almost every game I think, but to occupy the ebay and delay your upgrades seems silly. On June 05 2011 15:00 Techno wrote: Actually it just adds 1 range to your turrets, which the 25 mutas were going to kill anyways. The building armour upgrade is the only one I would even consider getting before 3/3 marines. Maybe if I dont make marines, but have you heard about how good they are? Yes I agree with this... If a player is using mutas en mass your turrets are going to die in one volley regardless and you'll need marine or thor support.... It's a shame that seeker missiles are garbage, however... They cost more energy than storm and fungal, they never land, they do less damage, they don't come auto researched, come at a later tech, casted from a more expensive unit... makes sense to me! Would be nice if seeker missiles had > 0% chance of hitting a muta stack. | ||
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Halcyondaze
United States509 Posts
On June 05 2011 15:00 Techno wrote: Actually it just adds 1 range to your turrets, which the 25 mutas were going to kill anyways. The building armour upgrade is the only one I would even consider getting before 3/3 marines. Maybe if I dont make marines, but have you heard about how good they are? Marines are the counter to everything, so good. | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
i get them when i'm messing around in team games with mass raven. +1 range AND +2 turret armor? it's pretty kewl | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 05 2011 15:03 Halcyondaze wrote: Marines are the counter to everything, so good. Only if the Marines can catch Mutas out of position, and because Mutas can fly and abuse terrain, its really hard for marines to catch mutas out of position. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
A lot of players will try to fit ranged units into that space and harass mineral lines from just outside the range of the PF, so it'll be interesting to see if the upgrade negates that tactic. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
The Bunker space upgrade is kinda nice for split map situations IMHO | ||
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
On June 05 2011 13:30 superbabosheki wrote: Mech Terrans almost always get turret range and building armor to stop muta harass due to the Thor's immobility since the ebay isn't used. If you play bio, the armor/wep is much more important to get. The bunker/cc upgrade is useless. Incorrect. DPS per area taken up by units is important in this game. Bunker capacity upgrade boosts DPS per area while maintaining the benefits of a bunker. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 05 2011 15:11 eviltomahawk wrote: I wonder if the range upgrade for the Planetary Fortress makes it easier for it to defend against harassing units shooting at SCVs in the small space between mineral patches and sometimes cliffs. A lot of players will try to fit ranged units into that space and harass mineral lines from just outside the range of the PF, so it'll be interesting to see if the upgrade negates that tactic. Yeah it does. It prevents the hiding behind mineral patches. | ||
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naventus
United States1338 Posts
Mass bunkers restricts ground mobility and is a safety net against mass infestor / too many baneling. | ||
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ZiegFeld
351 Posts
On June 05 2011 13:27 wei2coolman wrote: Defending means your not attacking. Investing in defending means your attacks are weak. You must constantly attack Zerg as Terran. For those who don't know, Gretorp is one of the very few pro Terrans (probably the only one) that get these upgrades: Hi-Sec Auto Tracking (+1 range to auto turrets, missle turrets, pdd, and planetary fortress) Building Armor (+2 armor to all buildings) Neosteel Frame (Increase load size for bunker, planetary, and command center) I've always never quite understood why, and was wondering why more terrans don't get these upgrades? Hi-Sec Auto Tracking is 100/100, but can effectively shut down any Muta Harrass super hard, and can make 2 missle turrets completely deadly, especially with building armor. Building Armor pretty much makes planetary invulnerable to any mass ling rush, and any muta harass. Neosteel Frame pretty much allows mass bunker defense to be SUPER SUPER effective against both zerg and protoss, in combination w/ building armor this seems like a very very strong defense. The only real reason I can see these upgrades not being used is simply because getting the +attack +armor upgrades are more important, but even when terrans are 3/3 they don't get these upgrades. I feel that the small investment into these upgrades can significantly alter terrans ability to push out without having to worry about any type of Muta harras, and their ability to crunch down on important offensive choke points. What are your thoughts? Logic son! | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
it's silly to say but it's like a personal pet peeve to try and produce soemthing that i don't know the hotkey to, and i think more than a couple players can relate to that i only know the hotkey to raven seeker missiles because of so much fooling around for example  | ||
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AndreiDaGiant
United States394 Posts
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mholden02
387 Posts
I'd like to see Reapers and Hunter Seeker re-worked so they become viable. HS in particular could be a very effective spell with some tweaks. It would also make the raven more useful in TvZ and more Terrans might use it. | ||
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mage36
415 Posts
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Maliris
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
its also worth noting that it takes up ebay time to research them, and at 3/3 you don't even usually need those upgrades anymore, because you probably already suffered massive damage from a monstrous amount of mutalisks raping turrets and production when you leave your base. Making a 3rd ebay might be worth it though if muta numbers get out of hand but you still want double upgrades... i haven't watched Gretorp play before so I don't know if he does this just my 2 cents | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
I get them after 3/3 bio, or if i forget an armory lol. | ||
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.Mthex-
United States168 Posts
People are still trying to phase BW strategies into an sc2 scene, and any new problem is trying to be dealt with by using an old solution. I think as the game progresses into further stages, people will see the usefulness of these upgrades. -- Consider this: A terran is on 4 base against a muta/ling baneling player, he has neosteel frame and building armor. a PF and a bunker with 8 marines in it essentially negates any harass that isn't large enough to be considered a full out assault. 8 stimmed marines inside a bunker could deal SERIOUS blows to any mutalisk offense, and the planetary shuts down ground forces entirely. The game just need to progress more. Terrans need to get inventive again. | ||
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