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PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 02:17:58
May 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#21
cool build except that its useless if you ever wanna improve

and it wont take too long before people figure out your a cheeser and then you'll never win with it
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 16 2011 02:21 GMT
#22
now we are all in for a terrible time on the ladder :'( Thanks Geiko :/

J/K but really good job man with the new build lets hope you figured out a protoss hold along with figuring out the build
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
ancientemblem
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 02:30:02
May 16 2011 02:29 GMT
#23
Yes now I can play random at not worry about getting terran and losing!
Nineteen_
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 19:16:50
May 16 2011 02:34 GMT
#24
My Fellow Zerg Buddies.
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together.
This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl.
at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it.
because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool).
also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-)
as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches.
although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D
ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it.
http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html

Mod Edit: Don't follow this advice. To the poster: please don't post "advice" on how to counter the build unless your opponent actually knows how to execute the build.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 16 2011 02:37 GMT
#25
Nice! It's hilarious how many people you can break with just 2 rax OC just pulling half your SCVs (without even cutting)... three fast barracks is just o_O

But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying.

Would it be credible to use a 2-rax OC opening without cutting workers (which allows you to mule instead of depot - <3) and then proxy two barracks to make up for lost time?
My strategy is to fork people.
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 02:49:25
May 16 2011 02:39 GMT
#26
nvm, I think I got the timings wrong, nothing to see here.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
May 16 2011 02:47 GMT
#27
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote:
My Fellow Zerg Buddies.
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together.
This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl.
at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it.
because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool).
also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-)
as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches.
although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D


Send the replay? I'm interested in seeing how you beat it/if he executed it well
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 16 2011 02:49 GMT
#28
On May 16 2011 11:37 Severedevil wrote:
Nice! It's hilarious how many people you can break with just 2 rax OC just pulling half your SCVs (without even cutting)... three fast barracks is just o_O

But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying.

Of course, if you FE'd as zerg (which happens pretty often), even if you scout the 3 rax, you're fucked.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
May 16 2011 02:52 GMT
#29
On May 16 2011 11:49 101toss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 11:37 Severedevil wrote:
Nice! It's hilarious how many people you can break with just 2 rax OC just pulling half your SCVs (without even cutting)... three fast barracks is just o_O

But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying.

Of course, if you FE'd as zerg (which happens pretty often), even if you scout the 3 rax, you're fucked.

Even if you abandon your natural?

Terran has to do better than kill your natural and go home if he's cutting that many SCVs AND pulling that many SCVs off the line for that long.
My strategy is to fork people.
Owarida
Profile Joined April 2010
United States333 Posts
May 16 2011 02:54 GMT
#30
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote:
My Fellow Zerg Buddies.
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together.
This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl.
at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it.
because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool).
also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-)
as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches.
although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D


No. Wrong

I highly doubt you had time to do all that before 4 mins. I really really doubt it....
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 03:25:37
May 16 2011 02:58 GMT
#31
On May 16 2011 11:52 Severedevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 11:49 101toss wrote:
On May 16 2011 11:37 Severedevil wrote:
Nice! It's hilarious how many people you can break with just 2 rax OC just pulling half your SCVs (without even cutting)... three fast barracks is just o_O

But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying.

Of course, if you FE'd as zerg (which happens pretty often), even if you scout the 3 rax, you're fucked.

Even if you abandon your natural?

Terran has to do better than kill your natural and go home if he's cutting that many SCVs AND pulling that many SCVs off the line for that long.

Abandon your nat or not, your pool is going to be out at a much later timing if you went for a hatch first. It means less time to get blings/roaches to deal with this properly. Also, what are you going to do if he ignores your nat and goes up your ramp?

Also, MULES makes the push not 100% allin, and that if you kill a good number of drones while not winning outright, you'll still turn up even.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Nineteen_
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
May 16 2011 03:00 GMT
#32
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote:
My Fellow Zerg Buddies.
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together.
This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl.
at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it.
because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool).
also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-)
as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches.
although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D


No. Wrong

I highly doubt you had time to do all that before 4 mins. I really really doubt it....


Send the replay? I'm interested in seeing how you beat it/if he executed it well


ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it.
http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 16 2011 03:01 GMT
#33
Thanks for a few free wins during my next few days of laddering =D
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
panda_inc
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia170 Posts
May 16 2011 03:02 GMT
#34
how to stop this as protoss? chronoboost stalkers off 2 gates?
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
May 16 2011 03:04 GMT
#35
There's another variation you can use, where you build 2 proxy rax in addition to your starting 2 rax.

Build 2 proxy rax on the way to your opponent's base, but slightly out of the way, so they don't get scouted as easily and rally from 4 raxes to the opponent's base. The timing is exactly when you would have 400 minerals to expand with a standard 2 rax.
This variation is best vs Z, much less so against T and P, but it is very robust, since you don't have to pull that many scvs and get significantly more marines than scvs in the end army.

It is important to practice micro in making an SCV line to protect from zerglings/zealots with this.

Nineteen_
Profile Joined March 2011
United States34 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 03:09:07
May 16 2011 03:07 GMT
#36
i posted the replay, and this post is extra but i dont know how to delete it sry, new to posting.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
May 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#37
So any ideas on Zerg, Terran or Protoss responses? It would be cool to compile them into a post somewhere in these forums so people using search function can find it
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
May 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#38
On May 16 2011 12:00 Nineteen_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote:
My Fellow Zerg Buddies.
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together.
This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl.
at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it.
because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool).
also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-)
as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches.
although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D


No. Wrong

I highly doubt you had time to do all that before 4 mins. I really really doubt it....


Show nested quote +
Send the replay? I'm interested in seeing how you beat it/if he executed it well


ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it.
http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html

He did the build COMPLETELY wrong and the push got super delayed/weakened as a result.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
May 16 2011 03:09 GMT
#39
On May 16 2011 12:02 panda_inc wrote:
how to stop this as protoss? chronoboost stalkers off 2 gates?

Stalkers are complete shit against scvs+marines (5! hits to kill one). Even though they are able to kite them, they work inefficiently and chronoing sentries is preferable (though sentry+stalker is the best combo, there's not enough time).
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-16 03:12:42
May 16 2011 03:11 GMT
#40
On May 16 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote:
So any ideas on Zerg, Terran or Protoss responses? It would be cool to compile them into a post somewhere in these forums so people using search function can find it

Protoss response when seeing the cut workers+multiple rax can be quick forge+cannons, fast sentry, or 2gate lots (pulling probes is okay too since he is pulling his SCVs).

Terran response is easy: just build a bunker. If you walled (which doesn't happen much in TvT but it still does), it's even easier to defend with a bunker.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
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