EPTand it wont take too long before people figure out your a cheeser and then you'll never win with it
[G] (T) 3 racks : Cheesing your way to GM league - Page 2
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
and it wont take too long before people figure out your a cheeser and then you'll never win with it | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13402 Posts
J/K but really good job man with the new build  lets hope you figured out a protoss hold along with figuring out the build  | ||
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ancientemblem
Canada34 Posts
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Nineteen_
United States34 Posts
you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together. This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl. at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it. because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool). also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-) as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches. although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it. http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html Mod Edit: Don't follow this advice. To the poster: please don't post "advice" on how to counter the build unless your opponent actually knows how to execute the build. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying. Would it be credible to use a 2-rax OC opening without cutting workers (which allows you to mule instead of depot - <3) and then proxy two barracks to make up for lost time? | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote: My Fellow Zerg Buddies. you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together. This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl. at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it. because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool). also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-) as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches. although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D Send the replay? I'm interested in seeing how you beat it/if he executed it well | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:37 Severedevil wrote: Nice! It's hilarious how many people you can break with just 2 rax OC just pulling half your SCVs (without even cutting)... three fast barracks is just o_O But obviously it's harder to hide your intention from a scout than with a 2 rax, because although you can proxy one of your barracks, you're obviously cutting workers --> obviously proxying. Of course, if you FE'd as zerg (which happens pretty often), even if you scout the 3 rax, you're fucked. | ||
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Severedevil
United States4839 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:49 101toss wrote: Of course, if you FE'd as zerg (which happens pretty often), even if you scout the 3 rax, you're fucked. Even if you abandon your natural? Terran has to do better than kill your natural and go home if he's cutting that many SCVs AND pulling that many SCVs off the line for that long. | ||
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote: My Fellow Zerg Buddies. you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together. This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl. at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it. because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool). also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-) as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches. although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D No. Wrong I highly doubt you had time to do all that before 4 mins. I really really doubt it.... | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:52 Severedevil wrote: Even if you abandon your natural? Terran has to do better than kill your natural and go home if he's cutting that many SCVs AND pulling that many SCVs off the line for that long. Abandon your nat or not, your pool is going to be out at a much later timing if you went for a hatch first. It means less time to get blings/roaches to deal with this properly. Also, what are you going to do if he ignores your nat and goes up your ramp? Also, MULES makes the push not 100% allin, and that if you kill a good number of drones while not winning outright, you'll still turn up even. | ||
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Nineteen_
United States34 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:34 Nineteen_ wrote: My Fellow Zerg Buddies. you do not have to worry about this cheese as we are one and we are willing to share our knowledge together. This evening, i confronted this cheese as a result of it being posted on tl. at the time i had not read this post so i did not know about it. because the map was xelnaga caverns I put down an early spine crawler just as my expo finished, (went 14 hatch 14 pool). also because it was xelnaga caverns i went roaches (hellions -.-) as soon as his all in arrived i started 3 roaches. although i lost all my lings i only lost 3 drones and as soon as my 3 roaches popped, he could not do anything i stayed on my creep with my queen and drones and 3 roaches like a man !!! (why so nerdy) ( me nerd) :D No. Wrong I highly doubt you had time to do all that before 4 mins. I really really doubt it.... Send the replay? I'm interested in seeing how you beat it/if he executed it well ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it. http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html | ||
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
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panda_inc
Australia170 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Build 2 proxy rax on the way to your opponent's base, but slightly out of the way, so they don't get scouted as easily and rally from 4 raxes to the opponent's base. The timing is exactly when you would have 400 minerals to expand with a standard 2 rax. This variation is best vs Z, much less so against T and P, but it is very robust, since you don't have to pull that many scvs and get significantly more marines than scvs in the end army. It is important to practice micro in making an SCV line to protect from zerglings/zealots with this. | ||
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Nineteen_
United States34 Posts
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ZeromuS
Canada13402 Posts
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Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On May 16 2011 12:00 Nineteen_ wrote: ok here's the replay. im diamond and i checked this player's profile. After he failed that game he kept doing it to others and he won with it. http://www.2shared.com/file/rX2hm8-c/Cheese_fail.html He did the build COMPLETELY wrong and the push got super delayed/weakened as a result. | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On May 16 2011 12:02 panda_inc wrote: how to stop this as protoss? chronoboost stalkers off 2 gates? Stalkers are complete shit against scvs+marines (5! hits to kill one). Even though they are able to kite them, they work inefficiently and chronoing sentries is preferable (though sentry+stalker is the best combo, there's not enough time). | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
On May 16 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote: So any ideas on Zerg, Terran or Protoss responses? It would be cool to compile them into a post somewhere in these forums so people using search function can find it Protoss response when seeing the cut workers+multiple rax can be quick forge+cannons, fast sentry, or 2gate lots (pulling probes is okay too since he is pulling his SCVs). Terran response is easy: just build a bunker. If you walled (which doesn't happen much in TvT but it still does), it's even easier to defend with a bunker. | ||
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