EPTrandom tip: pay attention to who is NOT attacking from the other team. because he's massing collosi or void rays.
This is so true its unreal
you need to attack at a good timing to stop it otherwise its GG4v4 Random Strategy - Page 2
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FlaminGinjaNinja
United Kingdom879 Posts
This is so true its unreal you need to attack at a good timing to stop it otherwise its GG | ||
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redwingxviii
United States101 Posts
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On March 15 2011 23:43 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote: This is so true its unreal you need to attack at a good timing to stop it otherwise its GGOr scout it and start massing the counter. | ||
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
and pray that it doesn't get to late game, unless you have a good computer. you will have so much difficulty micro-ing your units. | ||
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jlai
Hong Kong63 Posts
I would just say that 4v4 is so much different from 1v1. i play as a terran and every single game, i just say "Rush@5mins, no tech up, no expo" then i go mass marine myself. With this, i got into diamond after 30 games. It's just that you have to take out 4 players base-shared maps, so your rush is more effective. i suck at macro but it doesn't really matter much if everyone is rushing in your team. As someone mentioned, you have to spot who is NOT attacking. they're probably teching up. If they succeed to tech up, abuse the mobility of your tier 1 units. medivac drops/mass zerglings running into his bases/muta what so ever/wraplots whatsoever. keep dancing around and each of you tech up. Normally you should be able to match them as you should be 4v3 or 4v2 by that time. Wondering any convincing strat other than rushing? i'm new to SC2, so higher level player may advise on this. Many thanks! | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 15 2011 23:51 redwingxviii wrote: i believe playing 1v1 will greatly improve your 4v4. i believe playing 4v4 will only help a very little bit with your 1v1. Agreed, the OP's plan seems like the slowest way to actually improve their 1v1 ability. Westy himself already said playing 1v1s would be a better/faster way of improving, so I don't get why you'd want to do this. Team games reward highly abusive strats, anything that one person can do that forces a response from ALL opponents is a massive economic gain. For example, one player makes DTs and a warp prism, and buzzes around the whole map doing warp ins near mineral lines. This will force defensive structures out of all opponents, cannons, spores, turrets, etc. The cost of defensive structures for three players times the number of bases they each have greatly outweighs the cost it takes to tech DTs. Oh, and while you were building this crap DT guy got collosus or HTs online and could probably outexpand you. | ||
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Norava
United States23 Posts
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stilez
Mexico130 Posts
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Turin
Germany72 Posts
But obviously you won't learn proper timings or how to counter a specific unit composition. I'm a true (no prearranged parties) random 4vs4er in master league and here is what I found helped me climb there: What you should not do: Rush builds: I advise against it, not because it's so ineffective, but because it is dependent on your teammates being competent. If you want to get into masters, you obviously have to be the best player in your team a lot of the time and with a rush build you cannot carry weaker players. Think of it this way: With a rush build you have a very limited influence on the outcome of the game. If your teammates are weaker than the opponents then you will lose, if they are stronger or equally strong you will win. Coinflipping like this won't bring you into masters. However if you are a weak player doing rushes is probably the best help you can give your team. Gimmick builds (cloaked banshee/ fast dt/blue flame drop): These are usually highly effective at all levels. However you should not do them, because again they will not help you carry the team. You will usually succeed in taking out one or two of the weaker players, but will get countered by their stronger allies and that leaves you only with cursing your allies for playing crap. I was stuck in high diamond for a long time doing these gimmick builds, because you simply lose too many games where your allies can't leverage the economic advantage your build gives them. Air builds: Again I advise you not to do it. Air units are essentially harassment units, so the above paragraph applies. What you should do: Scout early. I usually scout at nine or ten supply. You will usually see one of two things: Extremely early allins (2gate protoss, 6-8pool zergs) , or standard builds. The reason for the early scout is that you should fast expand if you don't see an early allin. The maps are generally large enough that your expand will have (almost) paid off already by the time they have coordinated on their 6-7 min attack. After repelling the push, you should be in good shape to have your macro game kick in and you should be able to carry your weaker allies. Put a spotter in their attack path. This is huge and nearly noone does it. You absolutely have to keep tabs on where their huge ball of death is at all times. When they are barreling up your ramp it is far too late. Trust your allies: I know it's hard, but it's no use constantly checking up on what they do or giving them "advice" how to play. It will lead only to mistakes in your play. Focus on your game and you will be fine. React properly to attacks: Once an attack comes you have two options: Help your ally, or counter the opponents. Always do one of those, never stay in your base and merrily build for yourself. The decision to counter/help should be mostly driven by the time it would take you to get there. Unit selection: There are two aspects that dominate all other unit aspects in 4vs4: Mobility and Aoe damage. If a unit has neither you should almost never build it (immortals and hydras are the main offenders). A 4vs4 is a chaotic affair of big balls of units, so you need to be able to react with your army very quickly to threats and be able to deal out the AoE damage. Excellent zerg units are: Speedlings for expansion control, you will almost always find an expansion that is not suitably defended. Infestors for fungal growth. Absolutely amazing spell after the patch. Roaches: Fast and costefficient. Excellent protoss units are: Colossi: Excellent mobility and AoE damage. I find myself always going for them if I random protoss. Speed zealots: With the patch change that allows them to always hit, they are very hard to kite and they are one of the most costefficient units in the game with decent mobility. Blink stalkers: Excellent mobility, however I personally don't like them as much since their damage does not scale well in lategame. Excellent terran units are: Marines, nothing really beats upgraded marines in a 4vs4, except for huge collossi balls. Extremely mobile with stim and medivacs and dps is obviously off the charts. Blue flame hellions: huge mobility and Aoe damage, however they are very microintensitive, so only use them if your multitasking is decent. Siege tanks: These are mapdependent, only use them on maps that have narrow paths that simultaneously block off your expansions. Otherwise the lack of mobility makes them subpar. | ||
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
10 pool? hellion? 5 rax? 4 gate? Win games. In all seriousness, anyone who is caught teching into a unit that costs more than 200 resources combined is breaking the one rule in team games, making units and attacking. Chances are when you have 3 people attacking one guy the one guy will die before their teammates get there. | ||
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P0ckets
United States430 Posts
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FeelGood
United States23 Posts
But anyways, the strategy my friends and I do basically involves 2 people (in the front) harrassing and protecting from attacks and the back teching up to carriers, broodlords, etc. I don't know how helpful this is to you, but good luck man! And if you want to conquer your fears of 1v1, I like the custom 1v1 obs games, but it's up to you. | ||
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ElusoryX
Singapore2047 Posts
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Alejandrisha
United States6565 Posts
1. Pick zerg 2. 8 Pool 3. Handicap one of your opponents and by doing so scare the rest of your opponents into sitting at their ramps for 10 minutes. 4. Expand 5. Drone up to full saturation on 2 bases 6. Go 2 hatch 2 queen 4 gas speed roaches on two bases and what the fstomp all 4 of them | ||
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Mactator
109 Posts
My experience is that the most effective strategy is to lead the game or adjust if someone else does. 1v4 is impossible if they are good so communicate with your team. Not just like: "rush?" "attack at 6min?" but throughout the whole game. It also makes the game more fun. Remember that any information you gather goes directly to your team such as map control and scouting. And scout and counter (or make someone counter) cheesy stuff like 6/7/10 pools, cannon rush, mass lings or something similar that often surprise people. Apart from that, just play well! | ||
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accaris
98 Posts
I actually tried to use my 4v4 build logic in 1v1 and lost to a bunch of silver players, and got demoted out of Platinum. Never again will I try to cheese in 1v1. On a side note, I'm 22-7 in 4v4 and the system won't promote me out of silver, even though I've been consistently beating Diamond players. It's kind of annoying. | ||
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dedicateddan
United States18 Posts
Possible builds I would recommend: Protoss: -My standard is fast DTs off of 2gates and putting down a nexus right before the dark shrine goes up at 7 minutes. Then send 1 DT to each mineral line. This has the potential to do a lot of damage and lets you smoothly transition into blink stalkers off of a strong economy with possible colossi. -4gate making primarily stalkers is also good Zerg: -10 pool speedlings is arguably the best RT build there is. You gain a lot of map control, can destroy undefended bases and still have a reasonable economy. Terran: -Gas before barracks hellions is strong -Bio play is viable Example of the ling and hellion builds: | ||
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SEA_Syntax
Philippines24 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
4v4 is a nice place to start if you want to try random and learning the other races, but not much else. Otherwise, it's really not worth it to worry about winning in 4v4R to masters, even for portraits, unless you're playing with friends. It's the most frustrating cesspool in SC2. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
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