EPT[Z] How to cheese your way to Master League - Page 8
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DARKHYDRA
United States303 Posts
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Johnny_Vegas
United States239 Posts
On February 23 2011 18:41 dehdar wrote: I'm very curious as to why both of you failed 6 out of 7 times. Most of my opponents in my 15 out of 21 win streak were high diamond & master protos players who lost to 6 pool. If you could post a few replays I would be happy to analyze the matches. Maybe that was my mistake, I usually did the 3RR against protoss. I think my one win was win I 7 pooled. To be honest I think part of the problem was map related, on Steppes of War (the map I played most), cheese is 100% expected. | ||
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goldemerald
United States39 Posts
Thanks to this thread, I made it to masters also! However, I did my own cheeses that worked a little better than 6pools and what not. | ||
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Apolo
Portugal1259 Posts
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freetgy
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Bonham
Canada655 Posts
After I won, I sent him "gg" in chat. Him: bg Me: Why? Him: Failed 7-pool is never gg. Me: Then why 7-pool? Him: It usually works. This user is now ignoring you. Thanks again, zerg cheese thread. | ||
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Techno
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dehdar
170 Posts
 To the people who have sent me pms, I'll watch all of your replays tonight and send you feedback. | ||
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MegaPerle
France53 Posts
On February 25 2011 07:24 Apolo wrote: Protoss need pylon before gate, now terrans need depot before rax. Just make zerg need OL before pool and end with this mess. I'm not sure i follow the reason for zerg to be an exception to this. I have the reason : pool = 200 + 50(drone) minerals, and Z will need an OL anyway later barrack + supply = 150 + 100 gate + pylon = 150 + 100 Seems fair, and probably don't need to be changed. What's wrong with early pool? It's not broken as it can reasonably be countered. | ||
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Precipice
United States121 Posts
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Br3ezy
United States720 Posts
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KaniasReplays
United States39 Posts
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SeLpHy
Germany73 Posts
I read this thread again , printed it and i tried it. 8 Games 4 Wins , 4 Looses  http://www.xup.in/dl,64075764/cheeses.rar/ ( FROM TODAY ) I Only won because i had really luck. In Masters they would have own me instantly! Can you analyze it for me? What do i do wrong? | ||
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
Dehdar, u got completely lucky to reach master league with this. The only thing which might work is the 6-pool vs Protoss. All other stuff is soooo easy to hold for a normal player it's almost ridiculous. Terran: a simple bunker and you are more or less screwed and t can even get the money back. Zerg: Any pool before 14 or maybe 13 and you are done with.... And even a 14 pool can do the trick if proper microed. So, PLS don't follow the OP's advice. Thx. | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195296 It was inspired by your build but does attempt to basically end the game with the initial roach attack, and in the event it holds, I try to have a muta transition already working such that if I can bait a transition, I'll be able to clean up with mutas. While it has been working well for me, I'm torn at whether it's better to blindly transition to muta before engaging with the roaches, as I did lose to a master player who I broke with roaches simply because he stayed on marine tech while he expanded. Do you think committing to roaches is more likely to net a win than tech-switching to 2-base muta for a quick follow-up if the 11RR fails? | ||
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Kazlestial
Singapore32 Posts
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wopaahh
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On February 25 2011 10:22 Bonham wrote: After I won, I sent him "gg" in chat. lol, what a tool | ||
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dehdar
170 Posts
On February 26 2011 09:45 SeLpHy wrote: dehdar , I sent you some replays but you didnt answer. Check your PM box again. I read this thread again , printed it and i tried it. 8 Games 4 Wins , 4 Looses http://www.xup.in/dl,64075764/cheeses.rar/ ( FROM TODAY ) I Only won because i had really luck. In Masters they would have own me instantly! Can you analyze it for me? What do i do wrong? Sorry for the late response. I watched your replays and the mistakes you made were very trivial. If you correct them, you'll have a lot more success for sure. In your first match, you should have destroyed both gateways. You were only attacking one of the gateways, while half of your zerglings were idle. If that's not bad enough you were attacking the gateway that was already completed... The aim of your zerglings attacking his wall is to get through as fast as possible. You could and should have won that game. It took a long time for your opponents first cannon to spawn. If you had attacked both gateways, you would easily have been able to destroy his wall, reached and destroyed his cannon while it was spawning and killed his 1 zealot before ending the game. In your second match... you were so far ahead. And you quit because you couldn't end the game... After your first assault you had more "workers" than your opponent, you had higher army value and you had way more minerals. Your opponent was even building more static defence than necessary... you had that game won and you quit it. Watch the replay. In your last match you attacked way too late and your baneling build order wasn't the best. This is the baneling build order that I usually use. 9. overlord 14. gas 14. pool 16. overlord 16. queen. 18. speedling upgrade 20. baneling nest. Make sure to attack at 5:00-5:30 and no later than 6:00. The sooner the better. Make 6 banelings and hit your opponents supply depo. Once you're inside kill all the combat units. After that you're free to engage his/her SCVS. If the timing is perfect and your opponent isn't a top player it's almost a certain GG for you On February 27 2011 21:03 michaelhasanalias wrote: thought I'd add I'm also using a zvt cheese that's working pretty well into mid-high diamond: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=195296 It was inspired by your build but does attempt to basically end the game with the initial roach attack, and in the event it holds, I try to have a muta transition already working such that if I can bait a transition, I'll be able to clean up with mutas. While it has been working well for me, I'm torn at whether it's better to blindly transition to muta before engaging with the roaches, as I did lose to a master player who I broke with roaches simply because he stayed on marine tech while he expanded. Do you think committing to roaches is more likely to net a win than tech-switching to 2-base muta for a quick follow-up if the 11RR fails? It's really a nice tactic because taking 2 gas and still pushing early, gives you the flexibility of adapting quickly if your initial push doesn't end the game. Roaches are imo very underestimated. Lately I've been using them as the core of my army and anything else I built is only there to support my roaches (blings, infestors, corrupters). About your question, going roach first... I would think the average Terran would transition to tank/marauder after your initial push to counter the roaches. And let's face it the average Terran doesn't scout continously so when those mutas arrive, it's GG Thanks a lot for the replay, I'll put it on the main thread. | ||
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Ratel
Canada184 Posts
you better try 7rr or 3r zerglings instead 6pool is the easiest thing to stop | ||
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