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Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
June 29 2011 22:25 GMT
#4681
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.
I am Latedi.
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
June 29 2011 22:33 GMT
#4682
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.


A lot of people also like blink stalker play to pressure or do a variety of 6gate push before the 3rd starts mining. The thing about forge FE is it makes it much easier to do a 6gate push faster compared to a 3gate expand because you get your own expo up earlier and accelerate the rate at which you add units for your final push.

The problem with what you're saying is that pressure off of a 3gate expand with just your immediate units is tricky and very situationally dependent. This is a better question for a [H] thread with a replay and stuff. Not a very "simple" question.
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alwayriki
Profile Joined March 2011
8 Posts
June 29 2011 22:36 GMT
#4683
Does an uprooted spore crawler still detect?
I'm Alway Watching
mikyaJ
Profile Joined April 2011
1834 Posts
June 29 2011 22:39 GMT
#4684
On June 30 2011 07:36 alwayriki wrote:
Does an uprooted spore crawler still detect?

No


Can you drop MULEs in Fog of War?
MKP||TSL
Latedi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Sweden1027 Posts
June 29 2011 22:40 GMT
#4685
On June 30 2011 07:33 Vod.kaholic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.


A lot of people also like blink stalker play to pressure or do a variety of 6gate push before the 3rd starts mining. The thing about forge FE is it makes it much easier to do a 6gate push faster compared to a 3gate expand because you get your own expo up earlier and accelerate the rate at which you add units for your final push.

The problem with what you're saying is that pressure off of a 3gate expand with just your immediate units is tricky and very situationally dependent. This is a better question for a [H] thread with a replay and stuff. Not a very "simple" question.


Ugh i don't like making new threads. I'll try some different builds until I find something working. Thanks for the tip about blink stalkers though I'll make sure to try it out. I also want to make a point that it is not possible to forge FE on all maps, such as metalopolis. You'd just die to roaches.
I am Latedi.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 29 2011 22:40 GMT
#4686
On June 30 2011 07:39 mikyaJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 07:36 alwayriki wrote:
Does an uprooted spore crawler still detect?

No


Can you drop MULEs in Fog of War?


No, Though you can scan and then drop them
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mavsfan0041
Profile Joined February 2011
United States306 Posts
June 29 2011 22:42 GMT
#4687
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.

I play zerg so I know from experience: Dark Templar is very annoying. A warp prism with zealots into the main is INCREDIBLY annoying. A couple phoenixes + maybe a void ray can do some damage if he isn't prepared for it.
On June 30 2011 07:39 mikyaJ wrote:
Can you drop MULEs in Fog of War?

No, you need vision to drop mules.
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Kinetick
Profile Joined October 2010
United States55 Posts
June 29 2011 22:51 GMT
#4688
What are some good ways I can practice another race? I'm getting tired of protoss, and I'm interested in learning/switching to another race, Zerg. I don't want to bomb my MMR by doing ladder 1v1s, and I'm a little hesitant on spending $40 - $60 on another account.
"What is they were lions from hell?" - Tasteless
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
June 29 2011 23:11 GMT
#4689
On June 30 2011 07:51 Kinetick wrote:
What are some good ways I can practice another race? I'm getting tired of protoss, and I'm interested in learning/switching to another race, Zerg. I don't want to bomb my MMR by doing ladder 1v1s, and I'm a little hesitant on spending $40 - $60 on another account.

You could try custom games, or if you have a practice partner then he/she could help too. You could try putting a post in the practice partner thread but instead of posting your main race rank, post a rough estimate of how good your zerg is. Not a fake post like you are acting like zerg is your main though, just say that you need practice with your off-race.
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
June 29 2011 23:14 GMT
#4690
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.


That's why you go stargate - because if he spends all on lings you can with double stargate get massive amounts of voidrays and phoenixes, if he doesn't go hydra and doesn't get enough queens in time you can basically win the game outright. Happens me sometimes.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25562 Posts
June 29 2011 23:15 GMT
#4691
On June 30 2011 08:11 Soluhwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 07:51 Kinetick wrote:
What are some good ways I can practice another race? I'm getting tired of protoss, and I'm interested in learning/switching to another race, Zerg. I don't want to bomb my MMR by doing ladder 1v1s, and I'm a little hesitant on spending $40 - $60 on another account.

You could try custom games, or if you have a practice partner then he/she could help too. You could try putting a post in the practice partner thread but instead of posting your main race rank, post a rough estimate of how good your zerg is. Not a fake post like you are acting like zerg is your main though, just say that you need practice with your off-race.


Or, you could go into the practice partner thread and actively seek out practice partners from TL of the appropriate level.
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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-29 23:22:44
June 29 2011 23:21 GMT
#4692
On June 30 2011 08:14 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.


That's why you go stargate - because if he spends all on lings you can with double stargate get massive amounts of voidrays and phoenixes, if he doesn't go hydra and doesn't get enough queens in time you can basically win the game outright. Happens me sometimes.


The tricky thing about stargate harrass is that you need to have a good sense for 1) how much damage you've done, 2) how much you've invested in the stargate tech and units, and 3) the zerg response and your reaction to that.

If you're playing anyone with a decent sense of zerg or how to play vs stargate, you can't rely on them to derp up and let you "win the game outright," so you need to have a transition prepared for however he chooses to deal with your air play. A typical play is to open stargate, expand, and as you're harrassing, use the pressure from your voidray/phoenix to tech to colo in anticipation of his hydra switch.

EDIT: but again, this is all very situational, not a simple questions topic.
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rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
June 30 2011 00:44 GMT
#4693
On June 30 2011 07:25 Latedi wrote:
How do you pressure a zerg going 3base? You can't really pressure them since they will mass lings and not even 7-8 sentries are going to keep your small force alive. This is kind of bullshit as it's basically the same scenario as BW, except zealots suck. By the way I'm talking about pressuring as you 3gate expand and not forge FE. But if you have some effective way of pressuring except air, which kind of lose to blind hydra, please do tell me.


You can't. 3 gate expand sucks.

(I know this is a bad post but this is the SQSA thread and I don't feel like repeating myself again. Just search for my posts in any PvZ thread and there'll be a better explanation)
nekigosu
Profile Joined June 2011
17 Posts
June 30 2011 00:53 GMT
#4694
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but because i just registered, i can't create a new thread for 3 days so here goes my question..............

Lets say i want to change 1 of the hotkeys bind to F2 or F3.

But im using a laptop to play and my F2 and F3 keys are by default to adjust screen brightness.

So whenever i tried to bind the hotkeys to F2 and F3, i can't do it because only my laptop screen brightness gets affected.

So my question is how do i totally disable the keys in game so i can bind the command to whatever keys i like?
Intricate1
Profile Joined May 2011
169 Posts
June 30 2011 01:21 GMT
#4695
On June 30 2011 09:53 nekigosu wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but because i just registered, i can't create a new thread for 3 days so here goes my question..............

Lets say i want to change 1 of the hotkeys bind to F2 or F3.

But im using a laptop to play and my F2 and F3 keys are by default to adjust screen brightness.

So whenever i tried to bind the hotkeys to F2 and F3, i can't do it because only my laptop screen brightness gets affected.

So my question is how do i totally disable the keys in game so i can bind the command to whatever keys i like?



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stanik
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada213 Posts
June 30 2011 01:23 GMT
#4696
On June 30 2011 09:53 nekigosu wrote:
Not sure if this is the right place to ask but because i just registered, i can't create a new thread for 3 days so here goes my question..............

Lets say i want to change 1 of the hotkeys bind to F2 or F3.

But im using a laptop to play and my F2 and F3 keys are by default to adjust screen brightness.

So whenever i tried to bind the hotkeys to F2 and F3, i can't do it because only my laptop screen brightness gets affected.

So my question is how do i totally disable the keys in game so i can bind the command to whatever keys i like?


I would do a google search along the lines of "Disable F2 F3 brightness <Laptop Make> <Model".
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 03:28:33
June 30 2011 03:28 GMT
#4697
On June 30 2011 03:59 GeeRobb wrote:
as a silver protoss (2 months playing exp.) what build should i be focusing on to improve machanics. liquipedia seems outdated.


3-Gate Forge Expand is something you should consider as it is a comfortable opening.
However, depending on the match-up, you should have 3 openings to confront each match-up (one for each match-up)
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Ikehara
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1 Post
June 30 2011 04:49 GMT
#4698
Are archons worth it to morph two high temps after their energy is used up? Shouldn't you just wait for the energy to recharge?
Quochobao
Profile Joined October 2010
United States350 Posts
June 30 2011 05:32 GMT
#4699
On June 30 2011 13:49 Ikehara wrote:
Are archons worth it to morph two high temps after their energy is used up? Shouldn't you just wait for the energy to recharge?


You never know what will happen in the meantime -- it's better to have the archons ready for combat.

Plus, freshly warped in templars have 50 energy, so you won't have to wait as long as starting from scratch.

My question: Why does mothership even matter in combat? Imo with just two overseers, the effect of the mothership is totally nullified, no?

(Let's not consider her spells for now -- sometimes watching pro games I feel like her mere presence is enough even though it does not make any sense at all...)
Best or nothing.
somadbro
Profile Joined June 2011
69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 06:48:51
June 30 2011 06:48 GMT
#4700
In TvT how does a gas-less 1 Rax FE survive against a fast siege push?

What is the best response by a player who has done a gas-less 1 Rax FE against fast siege or blue flame drop?
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