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TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 12:40:59
June 19 2011 12:39 GMT
#4221
On June 19 2011 21:02 Katerpult wrote:
If you have about the same amount of units of the same type as your opponent and most of your units can fire at the same time, do you get an advantage or disadvantage when targetfiring individual units vs. a-moving?

In general is there a rule of thumb to decide wether to targetfire or a-move and are there other methods except those two?

Worry about getting every single one of your units attacking at once with the fewest number of enemy units attacking at once THEN work on target firing. Typically there are much more important things to be doing than individually clicking enemy units.

Target fire is best used for very small # of units or for sniping key units like collosus or queens/hydras vs voidrays/banshee.

~1300 masters zerg/protoss
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
quRax
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)264 Posts
June 19 2011 12:41 GMT
#4222
How should i handle dropps late game ? (Zerg)
Polt, Polt and Polt.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
June 19 2011 12:42 GMT
#4223
Question:

How long does it take to mine out my Main from beginning of the game when I constantly produce workers?
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Zedex
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom310 Posts
June 19 2011 12:45 GMT
#4224
On June 19 2011 21:41 quRax wrote:
How should i handle dropps late game ? (Zerg)

Build some spines at each base should be enough to kill off or at least delay smaller drops so you send a few lings over to clean up, if it's a further away base the more spines is advised.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Kambing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1176 Posts
June 19 2011 12:53 GMT
#4225
On June 19 2011 21:41 quRax wrote:
How should i handle dropps late game ? (Zerg)


1) Spread out your overlords so that you have complete vision of the drop lanes (e.g., over the gaps in bases in metal) and watch your minimap like a hawk.
2) Anticipate increased, multi-prong drop play as terran's "come back from behind" strategy similarly to anticipating DTs from protoss when they are behind.
3) Favor a spire for mutalisks if terran aggressively pursues drop play.
4) In the late-game don't shy away from spining up your undefended bases to buy yourself time.
5) If you are in the habit of immediately hotkeying your eggs to your main army immediately, try to avoid doing so when late game drops are a threat so you can use your reinforcements to defend your bases instead.
6) Get in the habit of only send the amount of units you think will need to defend a drop and no more instead of 1aing your whole army. This will help you prepare for multi-prong drops and also keep you from conceding ground when terran uses the drop as a feint to move up their tank line.
Black Hole
Profile Joined June 2011
10 Posts
June 19 2011 13:13 GMT
#4226
On June 19 2011 21:41 quRax wrote:
How should i handle dropps late game ? (Zerg)

First, hack with overlords. It will give you enough time to prepare.
If a drop was unforeseen, you could use burrow while waiting for your army or kite with 2 or so drones while the others maynard about.
Or else, since it's late game already and you have more or less enough money, make 1 or 2 spines. They can switch between bases for optimised use.
samiamquinn
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia137 Posts
June 19 2011 13:34 GMT
#4227
What are solid protoss builds for each matchup? Is a 3 gate sentry expand still viable in pvz?
Johnzee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States216 Posts
June 19 2011 13:43 GMT
#4228
On June 19 2011 22:34 samiamquinn wrote:
What are solid protoss builds for each matchup? Is a 3 gate sentry expand still viable in pvz?


3-gate sentry viable? Yes.

Otherwise:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=192233 (go to the Protoss strategy section)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Protoss_Strategy (go to the Builds section)
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xsksc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1044 Posts
June 19 2011 13:44 GMT
#4229
On June 19 2011 22:34 samiamquinn wrote:
What are solid protoss builds for each matchup? Is a 3 gate sentry expand still viable in pvz?


PvT : 2 gate robo, fast obs

PvP : 3 gate robo, 2 collosus with range

PvZ : 3 gate sentry expand
MrTng
Profile Joined September 2010
69 Posts
June 19 2011 13:47 GMT
#4230
On June 19 2011 12:29 Soluhwin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 11:06 MrTng wrote:
On June 19 2011 10:35 Soluhwin wrote:
On June 19 2011 10:09 MrTng wrote:
I'm trying to get the hang of Zerg a bit more. I'm currently in gold, but I get matched up to platinum diamond most of the time (wonderful blizz matchmaking). I was wondering if there are any replay packs available from high/pro level players displaying the most common zerg tactics in each matchup.

So for ZvP: roach/infestor or whatever or ZvT: ling, bling, muta. Are there any packs neatly organized by each tactic somewhere?


Grabbing random from MLG is a good idea. Also using just searching TL for a zerg replay pack could probably yield helpful results. I know FXOsheth releases basically every single replay of every game he plays, so you might want to look into that.


Well I was hoping if there were any packs organized by strategy like

Replay pack 1:
5x ZvP: roach infestor

Replay pack 2:
5x ZvP: ling/bling/muta

Replay pack 3:
5x ZvT: ling/bling/muta

etc. So that I can easily focus on one certain matchup and one certain strategy within that matchup. I was hoping to skip going through tons of replays (from which a lot are probably outdated, so SC has to 'reboot' into an older version every time.


Well then just 8x through a bunch of replays from one of the many sc2 replay sites and if it looks like something you want to learn, keep the replay, if not, delete it.

A lot of zerg comes from intuition and on-the-spot thinking to react correctly to your opponent's play. Analyzing replays can help with this but for the most part this skill comes from game after game, loss after loss.


I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but can someone please answer if there are any packs organized like this?

AGAIN, PLEASE, IM NOT LOOKING FOR THESE ANSWERS:
ME: I was hoping to skip going through tons of replays (from which a lot are probably outdated, so SC has to 'reboot' into an older version every time.

REPLY: Well then just 8x through a bunch of replays
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
June 19 2011 14:00 GMT
#4231
Not counting "cheese".

If you were only allowed to play 1 build as a terran player on the ladder, which build would you recommend?

I'm trying to find the most standard terran build there is and only practice that build vs any matchup/map so that I can learn it really well and after a while understand its strengths and also recognize when it is weak.
Xenocidersc2
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States237 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 14:20:28
June 19 2011 14:18 GMT
#4232
@papaz

Marine/Tank/Medivac can work against Terran/Zerg, maybe not as much protoss, still viable but a little more complicated

If you're talking about a build for each matchup, I've always recommended macro builds, and I think the number one regret I have when playing this game is not going more macro-oriented builds when I was starting.

TvZ - 1rax 1 factory expand
TvP 1rax fe <---- probably the build I'd recommend against any MU tbh.
TvT 1rax reactor + factory expand

The key to being better is - NOT BEING AFRAID OF TAKING YOUR THIRD EXPANSION + Adding production facilities, don't be afraid to add a lot of barracks just don't add too many. I know you were just asking for builds but I got carried away ;3.

~1500 Masters Terran
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
June 19 2011 15:47 GMT
#4233
On June 19 2011 22:47 MrTng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2011 12:29 Soluhwin wrote:
On June 19 2011 11:06 MrTng wrote:
On June 19 2011 10:35 Soluhwin wrote:
On June 19 2011 10:09 MrTng wrote:
I'm trying to get the hang of Zerg a bit more. I'm currently in gold, but I get matched up to platinum diamond most of the time (wonderful blizz matchmaking). I was wondering if there are any replay packs available from high/pro level players displaying the most common zerg tactics in each matchup.

So for ZvP: roach/infestor or whatever or ZvT: ling, bling, muta. Are there any packs neatly organized by each tactic somewhere?


Grabbing random from MLG is a good idea. Also using just searching TL for a zerg replay pack could probably yield helpful results. I know FXOsheth releases basically every single replay of every game he plays, so you might want to look into that.


Well I was hoping if there were any packs organized by strategy like

Replay pack 1:
5x ZvP: roach infestor

Replay pack 2:
5x ZvP: ling/bling/muta

Replay pack 3:
5x ZvT: ling/bling/muta

etc. So that I can easily focus on one certain matchup and one certain strategy within that matchup. I was hoping to skip going through tons of replays (from which a lot are probably outdated, so SC has to 'reboot' into an older version every time.


Well then just 8x through a bunch of replays from one of the many sc2 replay sites and if it looks like something you want to learn, keep the replay, if not, delete it.

A lot of zerg comes from intuition and on-the-spot thinking to react correctly to your opponent's play. Analyzing replays can help with this but for the most part this skill comes from game after game, loss after loss.


I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but can someone please answer if there are any packs organized like this?

AGAIN, PLEASE, IM NOT LOOKING FOR THESE ANSWERS:
ME: I was hoping to skip going through tons of replays (from which a lot are probably outdated, so SC has to 'reboot' into an older version every time.

REPLY: Well then just 8x through a bunch of replays

If you found replay packs set up that neatly you should let us know... just download a player's replay pack and hope that he does the same strategy in most of his games. I know sheth uploads just about every replay he has.

http://fxosheth.com/replays
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Sharkyloft
Profile Joined December 2010
Colombia69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:17:29
June 19 2011 20:16 GMT
#4234
If collosus damage is the same vs all types of units, i mean not incremented vs light or vs armored like other units like hellions or immortals...

Why is it that in TvZ, when the zerg goes hydra then collosus are almost and obligation for the P. But when zerg goes roach there is not as much fuzz about getting collo?
iCCup.Nove
Profile Joined March 2010
United States260 Posts
June 19 2011 20:43 GMT
#4235
Roaches have a lot more life/armor(i believe) than hydras. They tank colo shots much much better than hydras who get obliterated.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25550 Posts
June 19 2011 20:50 GMT
#4236
On June 20 2011 05:16 Sharkyloft wrote:
If collosus damage is the same vs all types of units, i mean not incremented vs light or vs armored like other units like hellions or immortals...

Why is it that in TvZ, when the zerg goes hydra then collosus are almost and obligation for the P. But when zerg goes roach there is not as much fuzz about getting collo?


The main thing is that Hydras are effective against gateway units not because they can take lots of damage before falling, but because they have good damage output. Colossi deal their damage in a splash effect, and Roaches have enough hitpoints and are fast enough that this isn't as much of a problem for them as it is for Hydras. This is why you will see Protoss players using Colossi against Hydralisk-heavy zerg compositions.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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KleineGeist
Profile Joined June 2011
United States52 Posts
June 19 2011 21:20 GMT
#4237
Mr. Bitter's stream is extremely useful for Zerg players to watch, and most of all he streams his lessons... is there another expert who provides a similar service for Terran or Protoss players?
Shadyf0o
Profile Joined June 2010
63 Posts
June 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#4238
My clock on the menu screen displays the wrong time. This leads me to believe that I'm being matched with people from the wrong timezone. How can you fix this?
Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
June 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#4239
On June 20 2011 06:20 KleineGeist wrote:
Mr. Bitter's stream is extremely useful for Zerg players to watch, and most of all he streams his lessons... is there another expert who provides a similar service for Terran or Protoss players?


He's done collaborations with many other race players, (White Ra, Incontrol, QXC). It's all on his youtube channel so try searching/looking through his video lists).
Soluhwin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1287 Posts
June 19 2011 21:39 GMT
#4240
On June 20 2011 06:20 KleineGeist wrote:
Mr. Bitter's stream is extremely useful for Zerg players to watch, and most of all he streams his lessons... is there another expert who provides a similar service for Terran or Protoss players?


Not as of yet but I believe I heard talk about something like this happening from him, just rumors I think.
I put the sexy in dyslexia.
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