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Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
January 16 2011 09:39 GMT
#21
This was a great guide, thank you, I feel a bit safer in ZvT now. Gonna have a look at some of the replays.
Dysk
Profile Joined November 2010
Singapore44 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 09:42:35
January 16 2011 09:40 GMT
#22
really great effort, but really you could just say "get +1 carapace asap". that's the crux of zerg going against marine tank builds, is that zerglings die too easily to marine and seige tank fire which leads to the banelings being taken out earlier as well. just mass speedlings with +1 armor and a control group of banelings can easily take out any marine tank army.
Noob3rt
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada114 Posts
January 16 2011 09:42 GMT
#23
Holy hell. That's one long post. Very informative. Great job. O__O
"What is life without happiness?"
dafunk
Profile Joined January 2009
France521 Posts
January 16 2011 10:28 GMT
#24
Great post.

"Infestors, although good against marines, are shut down quickly by tanks. In my opinion they aren't worth getting and it is better to spend the gas on banelings and mutalisk."

Since this is in the late game part, I think you should always get 3-4 infestors before hitting 200/200. A good fungal on a bioball is always a deciding factor. You can litterally obliterate him with just 1 or 2 of them. It's extremely efficient and saves you a LOT of banelings / glings / mutas since they instantly die to blings.
Often you'll fungal all his bioball when he tries to chase your harassing mutas on tanks, or when he tries to hit&run your army a bit too far from his tanks. In this case, a simple mistake can cost him the game.
Elvin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 11:01:04
January 16 2011 10:58 GMT
#25
What the phuck is with these "Oh I am so sad that T1 Terran > T3 Zerg" in BW Marines with medics were fighting with ultras and nobody gave a phuck.

Terran can easily hit "tier3" in 7 minutes while Z is still on "tier1" HOW COME TERRAN DOES NOT WIN???????

The whole tier thing mindset is ridiculous.
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 16 2011 11:12 GMT
#26
On January 16 2011 19:58 Elvin wrote:
What the phuck is with these "Oh I am so sad that T1 Terran > T3 Zerg" in BW Marines with medics were fighting with ultras and nobody gave a phuck.

You desperately need SVs if you're playing MnM against Ultra/Ling/Defiler. They are not T1.
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5unrise
Profile Joined May 2009
New Zealand646 Posts
January 16 2011 11:26 GMT
#27
On January 16 2011 19:58 Elvin wrote:
What the phuck is with these "Oh I am so sad that T1 Terran > T3 Zerg" in BW Marines with medics were fighting with ultras and nobody gave a phuck.

Terran can easily hit "tier3" in 7 minutes while Z is still on "tier1" HOW COME TERRAN DOES NOT WIN???????

The whole tier thing mindset is ridiculous.


In BW marines with medics does not go toe to toe with Ultralisks under dark swarm. You need irradiates just to even stay alive, and without transitioning to mass tanks, there is little chance of winning. Also, the issue here is that mass marines actually COUNTERS ultralisk without fungal growth, where in BW mass MM with irradiates go even with ultras at best, and even then it is a very fragile position. So no, your analogy is wrong, go do some research and play some games before you write these rubbish.
Executerror
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand28 Posts
January 16 2011 12:40 GMT
#28
This is an excellent and the most thorough strategy for ZvsT I've read.
Elvin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
149 Posts
January 16 2011 12:52 GMT
#29
On January 16 2011 20:26 5unrise wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 19:58 Elvin wrote:
What the phuck is with these "Oh I am so sad that T1 Terran > T3 Zerg" in BW Marines with medics were fighting with ultras and nobody gave a phuck.

Terran can easily hit "tier3" in 7 minutes while Z is still on "tier1" HOW COME TERRAN DOES NOT WIN???????

The whole tier thing mindset is ridiculous.


In BW marines with medics does not go toe to toe with Ultralisks under dark swarm. You need irradiates just to even stay alive, and without transitioning to mass tanks, there is little chance of winning. Also, the issue here is that mass marines actually COUNTERS ultralisk without fungal growth, where in BW mass MM with irradiates go even with ultras at best, and even then it is a very fragile position. So no, your analogy is wrong, go do some research and play some games before you write these rubbish.



> Ultralisk are beaten by pure marine and medivacs while broodlords just aren't worth the investment against heavy bio

Ahahaha

no


I can't image marines sniping broodlords with baneling/ling support. If they even try to get in range those rolling little shits which are supposed to substitute the role of lurkers (Thx blizzard ,you're the best) will blow the *uck outta 'em.

Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
January 17 2011 05:25 GMT
#30
Thanks for the guide. I have felt pretty clueless against terran lately and this gives a great foundation.

One question. Could you give me a better idea of when you get your carapace/melee upgrades? Pretty quickly after you start baneling speed if vs bio? Or do you get your spire and some banelings made first regardless.
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Superiorwolf
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States5509 Posts
January 17 2011 05:55 GMT
#31
OMG Thank you so much for the guide, great read I've been semi-inactive and so unable to see how the game has been developing but now that I'm active again I've been facing this a lot and suffice to say, this was a great read!
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