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[G] Standard PvP 1 Gas 4-Gate All-in

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Shlowpoke
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 14:16:05
December 17 2010 04:23 GMT
#1
Hey TL. This is a build I adapted from something I saw NexGenius do in a game vs Tester. He messes up pretty badly though, so watch my replays for a better version. This build is designed for PvP, but it is still powerful in the other matchups. Anyone could probably get to Diamond with just this build.

The breakdown:

9 Pylon (chrono probes when done)
12 Gateway (chrono probes, scout)
14 Assimilator
15 Pylon (put 3 in gas)
17 Cybernetics Core
18 Zealot
22 Warp Gate Research as soon as core finishes (chrono core, cut probes)
22 Stalker (chrono)
24 (chrono core)
24 @~450 minerals 3 Gateways (chrono core)
24 Stalker
26 Proxy Pylon (chrono core)
Morph Gateways, build Pylon in your base
Warp in 4 Stalkers
Attack with everything (1 Zealot, 6 Stalkers) @~5:45
Reinforce with 4 Zealots


Key Points:

-Cut probes at 22 supply (will be at 24 when Stalker starts, which makes 20 probes total)
-Move out with Zealot and Stalker to help protect proxy pylon probe

Replays:

NexGenius Original Replay (Fail)
Me Practicing Build (Clean Execution)
Me executing vs a practice partner going Robo

Summary:

This 4 Gate gets a Zealot and 2 Stalkers out for early safety and then gets a HUGE surge of units. It has 1 Zealot and 6 Stalkers at their base at around 5:45, with 4 more Zealots on the way.
6 Stalkers is a very key number because it 3-shots Zealots and 2-shots Stalkers.

Strengths:
- Demolishes fast Robo
- Demolishes fast Blink
- Demolishes passive FE
- Hits before most DT Rushes
- Has units to deal with Korean 4 Gate All-in Pylons

Weaknesses:
- 2 Gate Zealot Pressure
- Any form of Chrono Boosted 1-2 Gate Pressure

Now you all have something to check against when you ask yourselves "Does my build die to 4 Gate?"

:D
Yokoblue
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada594 Posts
December 17 2010 04:27 GMT
#2
Thats pretty much a standard 4 gate...

You get 2-3 units and chrono almost always your cybercore... Which you made using standard build... I dont see what stand out...

Pushing with 5-6 stalker 1 zealot or 6 sentry or whatever... Thats a 4 gates thats all... Its just your version of it...

Tell me whats the diff between that and a regular 4 gate... which it is... if you're not a noob who goes 4 gate with 1 zealot or 1 unit...
Master League playing Protoss and Zerg
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
December 17 2010 04:40 GMT
#3
Hey thanks for posting! :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 04:44:40
December 17 2010 04:43 GMT
#4
On December 17 2010 13:27 Yokoblue wrote:
Thats pretty much a standard 4 gate...


Also note that K4G definitely beats this... in fact K4G is pretty much a hard counter to this. You can't really continue with this build if you scout K4G just like you can't continue with this build if you scout 2 gate zeals or something.
Shlowpoke
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 04:59:56
December 17 2010 04:57 GMT
#5
On December 17 2010 13:27 Yokoblue wrote:
Thats pretty much a standard 4 gate...

Exactly. Standard = Very Strong. I have written out a clear, easy-to-follow build order for this very standard 4 Gate.

If by 'standard' you meant 'common' though, then I would have to disagree. I watch a lot of replays and I see tons of Protoss players do 4 Gates far inferior to this one. I can also think of like 8 different variations of 4 Gate that could also be labeled '4 Gate.' This is a 1-Gas 4-Gate All-in. It cuts probes at max saturation on 1 Gas and has just enough income to constantly produce Zealots and Stalkers.

On December 17 2010 13:40 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hey thanks for posting! :D

You are welcome, sir.

On December 17 2010 13:43 Anihc wrote:Also note that K4G definitely beats this... in fact K4G is pretty much a hard counter to this. You can't really continue with this build if you scout K4G just like you can't continue with this build if you scout 2 gate zeals or something.

K4G is the one where you make no units, build 3 pylons in the enemy's base and warp in all Zealots, right? Just attack his base with your first Zealot, pick off the probe/pylons with your Stalkers. That's what I can think of even without adjusting after scouting.
kewkew
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia31 Posts
December 17 2010 05:05 GMT
#6
This is pretty much a Korean 4gate (1gas +probe cut) where you just leave 3 in gas. People have been doing this for months.
kyarisan
Profile Joined May 2010
United States347 Posts
December 17 2010 06:25 GMT
#7
aaaaaaaaaaaaand this is why i hate pvp. -_-

i was working on a 3 gate that held off all the possible openers and let me expand safely, and this attack completely crushes it, sigh
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
December 17 2010 06:45 GMT
#8
Yep, this is definitely the strongest and the version of 4-gate all-in i do whenever i wanna 4-gate all-in.

There's also a variation which, depending on pure prefrence, you skip the first zealot instead getting your second gate quickly after your core, and you get 3 stalkers rather than 2 stalkers 1 zealot to move up to your proxy pylon with, and then warp in 3 stalkers and 1 zealot, but the end 'attack' is still 6 stalkers 1 zealot and ready to warp in 4 zealots.

Fwiw this is incredibly, INCREDIBLY easy to execute, and actually crushes like 75% of PvP openings in the game right now. It's one of the many reasons PvP is so stupid atm. This also isnt a terrible strat PvT or PvZ either, basically, if you want to brag about being diamond, learn to execute this build flawlessly, and i can guarantee you, you will get diamond.
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winedz
Profile Joined November 2010
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-21 05:12:02
December 17 2010 07:42 GMT
#9
Attack with everything (1 Zealot, 6 Stalkers) @~5:45

I always use this standard 4 gate in scrap station (huge ramp), and mostly is a success, biggest problem i face is when my opponent goes for 4 gate himself
Evoshadow
Profile Joined December 2010
United States88 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 07:50:01
December 17 2010 07:49 GMT
#10
winning is winning
losing is losing
that said, winning with this build is not helpful if you want to become a strong player overall
Roban
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands73 Posts
December 17 2010 07:54 GMT
#11
Yeah I'm looking for the zealot too
Shlowpoke
Profile Joined August 2010
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 07:56:13
December 17 2010 07:56 GMT
#12
On December 17 2010 16:42 winedz wrote:
Attack with everything (1 Zealot, 6 Stalkers) @~5:45

when did u make the zealot? o.O

Whoops. Thanks. Totally forgot that in the build description. Edited first post.
oZii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1198 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-17 08:00:19
December 17 2010 07:58 GMT
#13
On December 17 2010 16:49 Evoshadow wrote:
winning is winning
losing is losing
that said, winning with this build is not helpful if you want to become a strong player overall



Wow this is so totally on topic /sarcasm

Really here we go again people flood another build thread because omg i don't like all-ins. Another reason why strategy section is jacked up because people want to denounce every little thing they disagree/dislike. OP followed the rules of posting a Valid strategy regardless if people think it wont people better its still vaild per TL standards. Go listen to SoTG then if you are really compelled post. Like they said care more about the sport the players instead of caring about all-ins or this isn't BW.

For another perspective these "4-gate builds" in the end are more helpful than harmful FOR protoss players as a whole. Now lets say that this is the 4 gate to end all 4 gates. Yea it will suck for everyone sure. Now all builds will become refined. He showed the weakness and 1 of them is 1-2 gate chrono'd pressure so from there new builds will develop. Its not like there is going to be one build to rule them all. Really. Open mind people please.
xbankx
Profile Joined July 2010
703 Posts
December 17 2010 07:58 GMT
#14
I been doing this build for about 1 month and a half now. It is very hard to stop even at the 2k diamond. Call me cheesy but this build is so powerful its my standard pvp. It loses to zealot pressure pretty badly and a standard 4 gate with micro can also beat this.
Silidons
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2813 Posts
December 17 2010 07:59 GMT
#15
been doing this for ages
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon Bonaparte
Anomandaris
Profile Joined July 2010
Afghanistan440 Posts
December 17 2010 07:59 GMT
#16
Actually this is the build i use in PvP. Most people around my level (+-2950 diamond) do this build too.
Hammertime
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia77 Posts
December 17 2010 08:09 GMT
#17
24 @~350 minerals 3 Gateways (chrono core)

^^ small typo I believe sir, shouldn't that be 450 mins?

Anywho, thanks for the guide.
ProtossGirl
Profile Joined December 2010
England123 Posts
December 17 2010 08:29 GMT
#18
This is incredibly standard isn't it?

Like.. 1 gas 4gate where you cut probes has been around since beta, in this exact build order.
I remember doing this, and seeing others do this like 5 months ago, i mean.. this is the 4gate.. 2gas is non standard, and pulling probes off gas is non standard, or so i thought?

Thanks for highlighting it again I guess, nvm that everyone does it anyway :O
Phwar Gate
GoooN
Profile Joined August 2010
217 Posts
December 17 2010 08:37 GMT
#19
Pretty standard build. Shame on me, but I use it in PvP aswell just because a clean, smooth execution is so powerful at lower levels.
mashix
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore21 Posts
December 17 2010 09:06 GMT
#20
I think that it's actually different from K4G. With K4G, normally I'll go for 10 Pylon 10 gateway, then will have Core and Warp gate earlier than normal 4 Gates.

The other thing is that K4G may be not a real hard counter with this standard 4G build, if your micro is not so sloppy. If you suspect a K4G, chrono a Stalker to make sure that probe will not build any Pylon in your main first. And after that have a sentry to block zealots at ram because normally if I failed to build a pylon in opponent's base, I'll build another somewhere outside. But it'll be not a real threat anymore since the main target of K4G is to warp units to attack inside mineral line.

4Gates is quite strong and people like to do it a lot because it's quite a smooth build order. But if your opponents make Sentries and FF the ram 2-3 times, 4 Gates will pretty much fail.

I usually just use 4G build when against Zerg who go for 14 or 15 Hatch, depends on map and location.
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