• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 14:44
CEST 20:44
KST 03:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)81ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo36Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) Old Replays From 1.4.6 Is the larve respawn broken? The future of the SC game model Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All Mutation # 529 Opportunities Unleashed
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Data needed Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? BW General Discussion Fact based Zerg Upgrade Tier List
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Canadian Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7876 users

[G] The Art Of ZvT - Page 3

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
LoOny
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany22 Posts
December 14 2010 12:58 GMT
#41
This guide is totally awesome, thank you very very much for this.
"...don't worry, it is dead already..."
Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
December 14 2010 13:48 GMT
#42
Awesome posts. I'd love to have these guides in .pdf format to print and keep on my desk for easy reference and maybe to give away to some people who normally donn't read TL.

Anyway, thanks for the awesome job!
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
December 14 2010 14:29 GMT
#43
lot of usefull data,havnt read it all .
wow u played daut =) he should appear in the scene.. i hope he does

(greatest Age of empires 2 player of all time)
SugarBear
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States842 Posts
December 14 2010 15:28 GMT
#44
I would love to see an alternate guide after you learn to use infestors.
Staff vVv Gaming | "So what did you do today?" "Oh not much, mined some minerals, harvested some gas, spawned some zergs, the usual"
k20
Profile Joined September 2010
United States342 Posts
December 14 2010 16:30 GMT
#45
This is incredible. Thanks!
Legat0
Profile Joined October 2010
United States318 Posts
December 14 2010 17:16 GMT
#46
Thanks for the awesome guide!
Kalingingsong
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada633 Posts
December 14 2010 19:52 GMT
#47
hi side question:

what did u use to make the flowcharts?
Dess.JadeFalcon
militantonZ
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden18 Posts
December 14 2010 20:03 GMT
#48
Wow! Thank you!
vor
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel58 Posts
December 14 2010 20:55 GMT
#49
This is a great post, parts of it remind of Sun Tzus art of war.

Thank you.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
December 14 2010 23:09 GMT
#50
This might seem a stupid question.

How do you deal with THE CLIFF on lost temple?
You might find it impossible to believe, but i played around 1k games without anyone ever abusing that against me. in the last few days Ive gotten thor/tank dropped a few times, and I had no idea how to counter it.

vs a thor drop, I can delay it a little bit with a couple spines on the low ground and overlord spotting, but then they'll bring a second thor and repairing scvs. its impossible to take out repair thors with the number of mutas you can get out before they kill your nat.

tank builds will also have a ton of marines which will shoo away mutas.
Ive tried getting ov speed and drop as soon as lair is done instead of spire but I still cant get that up in time.
G_Wen
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada525 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-14 23:19:58
December 14 2010 23:11 GMT
#51
Excellent Guide!

I found your mindcharts a bit hard to read so I made a flowchart out of them:
[image loading]
I think I'm prob going to try to sum up the entire guide in this style then print them out so I have a quick reference.

You don't seem to have a chart that encompasses late game strategy so I'll probably end up extrapolating that from your guide.

Scouting alone deserves its own chart so that'll be next on my to do list.
ESV Mapmaking Team
Tuthur
Profile Joined July 2010
France985 Posts
December 14 2010 23:34 GMT
#52
I was really looking forward to this guide after the ZvP one, thanks a lot for taking the time to do this, some really interesting things to read! Oh, and great replay pack too.
Sanasante
Profile Joined March 2010
United States321 Posts
December 15 2010 00:01 GMT
#53
Best most detailed post to date in Starcraft 2 Strategy Section.

Only part I would disagree with is the 20 muta's to kill a turret by scv's. I would think 16 would be the better number however of course 20 is better.
It is during our darkest moments that we must focus to see the light
SeeDLiNg
Profile Joined January 2010
United States690 Posts
December 15 2010 04:50 GMT
#54
Ugh. Why does this guide have to come out during exam week :'(
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
December 15 2010 07:36 GMT
#55
On December 15 2010 09:01 Sanasante wrote:
Best most detailed post to date in Starcraft 2 Strategy Section.

Only part I would disagree with is the 20 muta's to kill a turret by scv's. I would think 16 would be the better number however of course 20 is better.


Yeah, 16 Mutas sounds like a lot less than they actually are. 20 Mutas is a game-winning number if you can get to them without getting fucked over economically.
❤Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ✿
johanngrunt
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Hong Kong1555 Posts
December 15 2010 08:46 GMT
#56
Wish there were a way to permanently store this so that it doesn't get lost in the infinite amount of posts in the Strategy section.

This, and Plexa's PvZ guide (which has sadly been lost) are some of the real standouts!
Herculix
Profile Joined May 2010
United States946 Posts
December 15 2010 09:01 GMT
#57
this and your zvp post are the most useful things i've ever read in the entirety of SC2 Strat forum. really, a diamond in the dirt.
RabidSeagull
Profile Joined December 2010
United States220 Posts
December 15 2010 09:35 GMT
#58
Very well written guide dude. I think you did a great job of covering most of the things that T can throw at a Z. Only advise I have is to maybe include a few screenshots to make the wall of text easier on the eyes.
I be the body dropper, the heartbeat stopper. Child educator, plus head amputator
ZergOwaR
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway280 Posts
December 15 2010 09:59 GMT
#59
sick post man ^^ have to read and digest this when i have time ^^
dig dig dig dig dig dig die!
ruiyang
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
252 Posts
December 15 2010 11:49 GMT
#60
GOOD JOB WRITING THIS! This will help me a lot in darker times ^^ Sometimes I just lose it and forget everything I know because terran has 10zillion diff openings and timings. This helps me to grasp the basics again! A recommendation for every zerg!

(coming from a 2800zerg!!)

//SHinigami
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
15:00
Yamato Cup #6
LiquipediaDiscussion
BSL22 NKC (BSL vs China)
14:00
Final Day
Mihu vs TBD
ZZZero.O341
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
trigger 75
BRAT_OK 75
Railgan 66
StarCraft: Brood War
ZZZero.O 341
Hyun 37
Rock 29
Pusan 24
Dewaltoss 8
Dota 2
Gorgc10956
Counter-Strike
zeus532
edward460
x6flipin412
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox523
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor326
Other Games
Grubby3499
FrodaN2608
Liquid`RaSZi1422
JuggernautJason814
Beastyqt683
B2W.Neo484
KnowMe331
byalli201
ArmadaUGS103
UpATreeSC63
Mew2King59
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream21642
Other Games
EGCTV1729
gamesdonequick1688
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 676
Other Games
BasetradeTV272
StarCraft 2
angryscii 21
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 259
• Freeedom9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 14
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie788
• Shiphtur398
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
7h 17m
WardiTV Weekly
16h 17m
RSL Revival
1d 15h
RSL Revival
1d 22h
Bombastic Starleague
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
OSC
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Bombastic Starleague
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
HomeStory Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 21: Qualifier 1
Maestros of the Game 2
Heroes Pulsing #2

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
Murky Cup 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.