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MindTricks
16 Posts
Well i can defend my base but they both just attack my Tosss buddy and when i am trying to help him out, my few marines no match against so many zerlings Any good openers / strategies to defend this as T and P ? on maps with massive ramps and on maps where our bases kinda separated Its prob something quite simple, its just that both of us quite new to 2v2 | ||
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WLV
Canada76 Posts
#2. 2 gate instead of 1gate cyber. #3. As soon as you know its happening, save chrono to get zealots asap. #4. ??? #5. The Zergs GG. | ||
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Raine
Canada210 Posts
I played a game with a buddy against double 6 pool on one of the maps with a large ramp and separated bases, we both just walled off with a couple of cannons and it was an easy win. | ||
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Hathaldir
United States6 Posts
If they indeed do 6 pool and you for example did a standard 13 gate followed by core and find yourself overrun by zerglings (or perhaps your ally is overrun), don't panic. Even if one of you dies, its still an even game considering that it is 2v2. Although its now 1v2, you have a HUGE economic lead, the zergs had to sacrifice insane amounts of workers to be able to produce zerglings that quickly, just proceed to play normally and try to make a big timing push to kill them off before they can recover. Sounds weird if you're used to 1v1's but after some practice, it's not that difficult. Lastly, it's key that you and your partner are both doing approximately the same type of strategy, that is, you're both sacrificing economy to attack early (like a 6 pool) or you're both teching to blink stalkers/siege tanks or what have you. | ||
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MindTricks
16 Posts
another question Me T and my buddy P how to deffend against cannon rush ? my Toss buddy always seem to get cannon rushed by both protos if its TPvPP | ||
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13ThirtySeven
99 Posts
Scouting is the only way to prevent cannon rushes. If the cannons are already building then just save up minerals, ditch the main and expand elsewhere. You can also counterattack since the opponents' mains are completely vulnerable. | ||
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MindTricks
16 Posts
any other ways ? Plus sometimes when its vs TP toss cannon rusing and terran mass marines what to do here | ||
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kPk
Romania10 Posts
And if you failed to scout, don't panic, don't pull all your workers off the minerals. Just kill his probe. No probe, no more cannons. | ||
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k43r
Poland112 Posts
On December 08 2010 18:15 MindTricks wrote:another question Me T and my buddy P how to deffend against cannon rush ? my Toss buddy always seem to get cannon rushed by both protos if its TPvPP A: On December 08 2010 18:10 Hathaldir wrote: Even if one of you dies, its still an even game considering that it is 2v2. Although its now 1v2, you have a HUGE economic lead, the zergs had to sacrifice insane amounts of workers to be able to produce zerglings that quickly, just proceed to play normally and try to make a big timing push to kill them off before they can recover. Sounds weird if you're used to 1v1's but after some practice, it's not that difficult. Also good way to deal with canon rushes is to scout your base around ~7-11 supply. That's just like normal thing in 1vs1. | ||
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eAzydaman
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Raine
Canada210 Posts
On December 08 2010 18:15 MindTricks wrote: thx guys this helps, another question Me T and my buddy P how to deffend against cannon rush ? my Toss buddy always seem to get cannon rushed by both protos if its TPvPP Scout, scout, scout! If a protoss has no pylon in his base when you scout or there is a forge, he's doing something cheesy. Scout your base hard. You should also note that when your scout gets to his base, their scout should be getting to yours. If you don't see his scout come into your base, it doesn't hurt to send an scv/probe around your base looking for some cheese. If you notice he is building cannons below your main near your mineral line, that's fine, just do NOT let the probe up your ramp. As long as he has no vision, the cannons are worthless. From there you just need a stalker or a marine to shoot it from the high ground and you'll be fine. | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
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eAzydaman
83 Posts
 Still have to kill them fast because double muta is impossible to beat. | ||
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Geiko
France1939 Posts
If however you don't scout it, you can either : rush for stalkers to prevent cannons from coming closer if your opponent started the cannoning from far away. If your opponent is significantly investing in cannons (4 or 5), puting a nexus at your natural and ditching the main will not put you very far behind. Also, your ally wants to counter (hellions are a good idea vs cannon rush or double 6 pool) | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 08 2010 18:10 Hathaldir wrote: Theres no need to over-prepare for something that might not even happen. (EX: The zergs just end up 14 hatching or something along those lines). So you should do whatever opening you're doing without assuming your opponents will 6 pool. If they indeed do 6 pool and you for example did a standard 13 gate followed by core and find yourself overrun by zerglings (or perhaps your ally is overrun), don't panic. Even if one of you dies, its still an even game considering that it is 2v2. Although its now 1v2, you have a HUGE economic lead, the zergs had to sacrifice insane amounts of workers to be able to produce zerglings that quickly, just proceed to play normally and try to make a big timing push to kill them off before they can recover. Sounds weird if you're used to 1v1's but after some practice, it's not that difficult. Lastly, it's key that you and your partner are both doing approximately the same type of strategy, that is, you're both sacrificing economy to attack early (like a 6 pool) or you're both teching to blink stalkers/siege tanks or what have you. Neither your core nor gas should be going up yet by the time you scout them, assuming protoss 9 scouts as should be done. As such, you can quickly change your build by cutting probes, fully walling with a forge, and then chronoing probes but having just enough money to build a cannon when forge finishes. You can then 4 gate from there into expand or whatever you feel like doing. Also, the terran should not be able to 1v2 the 2 zergs unless those zergs are really bad (assuming protoss really did build core and then proceeded to die for lack of units/cannon). Yes, a 5rax no gas timing push with a critical mass of marines works against shitty zergs, but that's about it. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
On December 08 2010 19:42 Geiko wrote: Against cannon rushes, you really need to scout before it gets up and pull probes. If however you don't scout it, you can either : rush for stalkers to prevent cannons from coming closer if your opponent started the cannoning from far away. If your opponent is significantly investing in cannons (4 or 5), puting a nexus at your natural and ditching the main will not put you very far behind. Also, your ally wants to counter (hellions are a good idea vs cannon rush or double 6 pool) Also if its one of those maps where they like to cannon at the bottom of your cliff and hop up into nexus range, its really easy to scout and you can just cut probes real quick and wall off completely with 2 gate if his probe is still at the bottom of your cliff (waiting to build first cannon), and then push with 2 gate + 3rax marine (against most silly cannon rushers). Tbh I don't consider that to be very stable even though it usually works. If I manage to block their probes off via a wall in, I 4 gate 2 gas with the assumption of fast robo tech, and rely on forcefield + good terran macro/control to split their armies up and kill them quickly with stim. | ||
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michaelhasanalias
Korea (South)1231 Posts
On December 08 2010 19:06 eAzydaman wrote: We always 6 supply scout double Zerg. The good thing is now that we are 1700+ Diamond 6-pools aren't as common Still have to kill them fast because double muta is impossible to beat.why the heck would double zerg each tech to muta when one could just feed the other gas and get 3 extra mutas for the saved tech cost. | ||
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MindTrick
7 Posts
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Christobel
Norway3 Posts
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TheGiz
Canada708 Posts
Since your enemies committed to such a poor-economy build, if the 6pool does no/minimal damage to you and your partner it is then just a matter of using that advantage to win. This could consist of a fast push-back or fast expansions to surge ahead, but watch out for Speedlings or the inevitable Muta follow-up (or worse, Roaches). Send a late scout after the rush to see what they have then choose to push or - even better - set up a contain on one or both of your opponents with Tanks, Bunkers, Warp-In Pylons, Cannons, and Phoenix containment of Overlords. | ||
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Jimmycliff
United States86 Posts
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Neo.NEt
United States785 Posts
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
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batmankiller
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FuzzyLord
253 Posts
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Timing wise, if you scout with the pylon probe, by the time you reach the enemy base, your gateway should be building. On maps with big ramps, immediately save up for another gateway to complete the 1 zealot wall. Some say forge, but i prefer to just build more zealots and finish them off if they dont gg after the failed rush. | ||
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