[G] Synystyr's TvP Anti Colossus Build - Page 26

On April 26 2011 21:13 rmAmnesiac wrote:
i've been dying a lot to 3 gate void high ground warp ins with the second build order. any suggestions? in fairness that build seems to do extremely well vs most terran openings, but maybe there is something i can be doing differently..

On April 26 2011 21:08 Synystyr wrote:


This build and 2 Port Banshee are worlds apart I wouldn't consider them the same at all. You'll find that once you hit higher Diamond/Masters, 2 Port Banshee won't work quite as well because it is very much a 1 Base allin that's not too difficult to defend once Protoss realizes it. Regardless, it once again displays how powerful Terran air is against Protoss

On April 26 2011 21:45 Rexar123 wrote:


lol
i push out at 10:30 with raven 140 energy,200 mana medivac(used before for helliom drop) 6 banshees and 20 marines with stim i land CC on expo during attack and i win it 90&

btw u prob didnt hear me i am 5th diamond rexar658 on eu server with 490 pts
and your build is fragile to 3gate void ray or atleast when i try it cause void ray go and kill my main and army attacks from front and u give your opponent time to make templars
but terram air is strong vs toss

On April 27 2011 05:49 RukKus wrote:
Just lost my first game using this build, it was a tournament match and it was tied 1-1. I pulled this build out on Tal'Darim hoping to get an unexpected victory (I used bio the other 2 games). I shouldn't have, as both games prior my opponent pulled a LOT of early aggressive play bringing chrono'd out Stalker+Zealot to safely secure his fast expansion.

I placed the 3 bunkers in a diagonal line to equally cover attack paths from TDA's natural ramp and 3rd base location -- this Bunker placement I feel is optimal for this map. I barely held off very early aggression, and even some scouting around my base I was able to pluck off Proxy Pylon.

However, it was the push that came around 10:30 that did me in -- just as my first set of Banshees were half done, and Raven was mere seconds away from a PDD. A large Stalker/Sentry army came, FF spam my bunkers, preventing retreat. Took out my natural and all my marines. My Banshees came, seconds too late. PDD+Banshee pushed his attack back, but I knew I had lost momentum. I could not recover economically, and after defending wave after wave I was finally overwhelmed.

I'll provide a replay for analysis when I get home, but I feel 10:00-11:00 is definitely a weak moment for pushes. 3 Bunkers are great early on... perhaps I needed an early Thor. I was saving up for constant Banshee production and perhaps was a bit too over confident. I'd like to know how to refine this build and prevent pushes like that from overwhelming me again. Anyways, expect replay soon

On April 29 2011 00:59 icclown wrote:
Just lost on Shattered Temple... Got pushed at choke, when there was only 12 rines - the P simply FF'ed the entire repair field -_- so that my SCV's were unable to repair. any tips?

On April 29 2011 03:02 tosog wrote:
Hey. I really like this build(like, it's renewed my love for starcraft)
But!
I actually do lose!!!!!!
This is not acceptable. I lose to most types of all ins.
Here's a recent example: http://www.2shared.com/file/hpLpkjrs/Tosog_v_paradox_TvP_2_rax_FE_v.html

Is there something I can do? I'm not 100% pre-pulled SCV's could even stop that with 2 immortals.

On April 29 2011 23:04 gondolin wrote:
To continue with pro using 4 starport banshee: here is an exemple with TLO against Grubby (Game 1)
http://sc2casts.com/cast3564-Grubby-vs-TLO-Best-of-3-All-in-1-video-Copenhagen-Games-Round-of-16
TLO goes for a 1 rax expand into 4 rax stim into 4 starport banshees.

On April 29 2011 06:24 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I've been thinkin of a way to transition out of lzgamers build once collsai come into play, and I think because I only 3 fac, I could easily 2-3 port transition out because I only need 1 gas, 2 max for the 3 fac heavy hellions..

Don't you think that the 3 fac opening could be a good leeway into a 3-4port, as the timing push is so EPICLY strong if they don't have 1-2 collsai out.

It would be a late transition, but off 2 base with 4 gas only 2 being needed, you could stock pile a tonnn of gas, and just banshee hellion tank raven as the counter to mass hellion/tank/marine does not counter banshees all too particularly well.

I gotta work an at least 2 port transition so I can banshee those god damn collsai transitions. It's really the only time I lose with that 3 fac build is those damn 1 base collsai.

On April 30 2011 16:08 OSM.OneManArmy wrote:
One quick question: Sentries using hallucinated phoenix's could really be detrimental to this build! :O but other than that i like it, Ive been doing the tank marine raven banshee build and it works decently, but this looks even better. Thanks for the guide!! ^^

On May 02 2011 20:12 Synystyr wrote:


I have yet to actually try the 3 Fact build yet, but it does sound really strong and fun. As long as I could transition into heavy Air play later if Protoss commits heavily into Robo, then I think this would work absolutely fine. It would probably be something I would transition into after taking a 3rd. I'd be a little worried about heavy Void Ray play so I'd be prepared to get Starports down earlier in case Vikings need to come into play quickly. Definitely something I'd like to play around with :D

On May 02 2011 22:08 Despicatus wrote:
I kinda wonder how this does against a 3 gate expand on maps with open chokes, since you seem to expo pretty fast and tech pretty heavily. If I go 3 gate I usually cotain while going for an expansion at the same time until the usualy mediavac timing hits, I guess your going to be pretty gast starved if your expo is late.

On May 02 2011 23:00 gondolin wrote:


That's exactly what I have been doing, I take a quick third after my push (protected by siege tanks), and I transition to banshees while adding some thors for defense. I have to work the exact timings yet, but it helps a lot against mass collossi.