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Kenchu
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden5 Posts
November 09 2010 20:33 GMT
#1
Say you've got like 30 marines, and there's some banelings coming. What's the best way to spread the marines, foxer style? Is there some trick to this, or do you really just use the mouse, select click, repeat?
Shifft
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1085 Posts
November 09 2010 20:34 GMT
#2
Box click box click etc.

That's why not everyone can do it.
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Eknoid4
Profile Joined October 2010
United States902 Posts
November 09 2010 20:37 GMT
#3
Yep he really is that fast.

he doesn't even split up his control groups into more than one.
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nosk
Profile Joined October 2010
United States21 Posts
November 09 2010 20:38 GMT
#4
Jump into your medivacs and gtfo.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10366 Posts
November 09 2010 21:14 GMT
#5
Haha. Really it is a bit annoying... why are people asking so much about this? I know it's really important, especially when you want to do something cool (or in this case when it's really PRO), but really, just spread them. It's as simple as that. I mean, how would hotkeys help? It would waste your time setting them up, boxing up the marines, trying not to overlap too much. And then they would just die, and you would have to do it again.

So, just box click box click box click First box half or most of them, move away from the remaining, then split that group, etc. If you box only about half for the first spread, then of course after your spread that new spread again, you should go back to the remaining half and move them back and split them up too.
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Gridlock
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom517 Posts
November 09 2010 21:33 GMT
#6
The box click technique that Yoshi gives above is probably the simple and beautiful answer - you've just got to get good at it!

I'd also advise to play in the Editor a little to get a really good idea of the baneling splash radius, being able to spread your 'rines the exact right amount and maximise firing time is the most important.

PS: This is coming from a T who's 'rine micro is non existent
MadBoat
Profile Joined August 2010
127 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-09 22:06:47
November 09 2010 22:05 GMT
#7
I can't do it foxer style, but heres a trick you might use. this will only work if you prepare it beforehand or you;re fighting in your own base, but... tell them to move to one of your buildings.

I used to set up a contain VS zerg on maps where the ramp between their natural and main was closer to me than his natural by covering that ramp with a PF. I keep my mass marine force next to it while it was building, and Invariably, when they saw the PF going down they'd run banes in to take me out. I just clustered the marines around the PF, and the banelings were much less threatening.

But yeah, in all other cases, you have to have crazy micro.
prototypue
Profile Joined September 2010
United States20 Posts
November 10 2010 00:53 GMT
#8
One thing you might be able to do against zergs who just a-move their banes is try to feed your marines to them one at a time. Just stim and run, click marines one by one and send them to their dooms.

Of course if the zerg micros then this technique is much less effective. lol.
CreepGin
Profile Joined October 2010
United States35 Posts
November 10 2010 01:07 GMT
#9
Spreading stim'ed marines while the speed banelings are on the move can be hard to pull off. This is where you should spread your marines *before-hand* based on your scouting or game intuition.
make it simple but no simpler
Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
November 10 2010 01:10 GMT
#10
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Toxigen
Profile Joined July 2010
United States390 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 01:18:18
November 10 2010 01:16 GMT
#11
On November 10 2010 10:07 CreepGin wrote:
Spreading stim'ed marines while the speed banelings are on the move can be hard to pull off. This is where you should spread your marines *before-hand* based on your scouting or game intuition.

Holy crap. This is the answer if you're not FoxeR.

Have little pockets of marines spread out. Stagger the tanks. The key is spreading out and creating more distance in between splashes and more travel time to allow more tank/marine shots.

If you're worried about mutalisks sniping targets with your marines so spread out, invest in a couple of ravens for PDD. PDD lasts forever and absorbs 20 shots.

EDIT: I'm Zerg, but I've pulled this off against low-diamond minimal-micro Zergs as Terran. It's definitely doable and WAY better than losing 30 marines to a mere handful of banes.
wxwx
Profile Joined May 2010
527 Posts
November 10 2010 03:14 GMT
#12
just practice, it's like splitting your workers really. It's hard and even Foxer doesn't do it perfectly. Maybe try splitting all 6 starting scv's in under a second.
Rodregeus
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia126 Posts
November 10 2010 03:19 GMT
#13
On November 10 2010 06:14 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
First box half or most of them, move away from the remaining, then split that group, etc. If you box only about half for the first spread, then of course after your spread that new spread again, you should go back to the remaining half and move them back and split them up too.


I can't believe I never thought of this. -_-

I always tried to box a small group at the edge of the main group and move them, then go grab another handful and move them somewhere else, rinse repeat. Would get a few groups split off and then the bulk, who were still in the starting position, would melt in a sea of green. >.<

Boxing all bar a handful, moving them, then boxing most of those again and moving seems so much easier! O.o Will try it when i get home!
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
November 10 2010 04:15 GMT
#14
Um, just spread them into little clumps before battle. It is really easy to move them around if they are already spread out before hand. You see Foxer doing this in the middle of Xelnaga whenever he knew banelings were around..
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Victim
Profile Joined August 2010
United States188 Posts
November 10 2010 05:38 GMT
#15
On November 10 2010 06:14 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Haha. Really it is a bit annoying... why are people asking so much about this?


Because there's a trick for Mutas against Thors?
squintz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada217 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 05:58:13
November 10 2010 05:53 GMT
#16
Err, use micro?

Stim all your marines, move them all back. Then use selection box to pick a few to move into different directions. Try to fan out them out clockwise and make them move. Minimize on the amount of moving you have to do so you can actually deal damage.

Too much to do with too little time? Try sacrificing some marines as baneling chaffs and flares. Use the first group you select and run them TOWARDS the banelings. Then fan the rest out.
PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
November 10 2010 05:56 GMT
#17
apm?
that is the best way, many many actions to spread them?
no trick here.
jamesmax
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada72 Posts
November 10 2010 06:08 GMT
#18
What I heard that IMMVP does from the gsl stream is he leaves a few marines in the army uncontrol grouped so what i imagine you could do is have your marines split on 2 hotkeys in whatever denomination you feel is effective and leave some unhotkeyed, box move all marines then hit 1 move direction 2 move direction or whatever hot keys you choose and that's an instant 3 split you could probably easily box split further from there. just my opinion.
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shawster
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada2485 Posts
November 10 2010 06:14 GMT
#19
make 6 marines in each control tab

it's sc2 for god sakes you have to have at least 3-4 control groups open. that's how toss spread out units vs t in bw, it's a good technique against splash damage.
Bommes
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-10 06:21:01
November 10 2010 06:16 GMT
#20
It's highly situational. Are the 30 marines alone or do you have tank / raven / thor support? Are there medivacs? Is it your first push (wow, that would be bad) and do you have to expect infestors or do you know he has muta/ling/bling? Are there only blings or speedlings too?

Depending on that I would decide how to spread my marines. Before the fight, or in the fight, or maybe just run them away and split in maybe 2 or 3 groups only, because my tanks will take care of the blings. Spreading is no thing you do while the blings are on the run and about to explode in your marines, because that's not cost-efficient 90% of the time if you're not Foxer (and even Foxer doesn't a-moves blindly with his push and miracly spreads his marines, he also prepares it). You actually prepare it when you think he might attack your push or you prepare it in your mind and look for signs when he wants to engage (I usually stim-run 1 or 2 marines in front of my push to check) to do it as fast as possible when the banelings are actually coming (I especially do that if there is no tank support, but you should also do it with tanks).

Really, I think the best way to spread is to check the front of your push with 1 or 2 marines all the time, it gives you so much time and it's really not impossible to do. Another way of doing that is scanning, but I'm really cautious with scanning too much because it can really put you behind economy-wise.
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