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H0bgawblin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States109 Posts
October 05 2010 07:44 GMT
#181
Actually, here is a curve ball kind of question. If you had to list the order of things, what ever the things may be, that a person should to do get better, what would that list be? Coaching? sparing and cg's? Mass ladder?
SpaceYeti
Profile Joined June 2010
United States723 Posts
October 05 2010 15:29 GMT
#182
On October 05 2010 16:44 H0bgawblin wrote:
Actually, here is a curve ball kind of question. If you had to list the order of things, what ever the things may be, that a person should to do get better, what would that list be? Coaching? sparing and cg's? Mass ladder?

First off, my name is NOT Artosis. However, I've found mass ladder and analyzing my own replays as well as pro-replays to be the best help. adder is generally better than blind custom games because of the more consistent quality of the opponents you face. However, if you can find a god practice partner who is willing to play lots of customs games with you, that *can* be very effective. My experience, however, has been that I learn how to play against that 1-players style really well, but am left unprepared for other styles of play that I might encounter on the ladder.

So in short, play mass ladder because you get better consistency in the quality of opponents as well as a wide variety of play-styles. Also watch and analyze your own replays and top tier replays from fellows like Artosis, comparing your play to theirs.

Good luck!
Behavior is a function of its consequences.
Kaiko
Profile Joined September 2010
209 Posts
October 05 2010 16:05 GMT
#183
Artosis,

What would you suggest a player without much time do to get better? Currently sitting around 1200-1300 Diamond and I'm trying to get better. I don't have the time to mass play really - a couple hours a day max with some more time on the weekends.

Are there certain things I can do to step up my game faster? I watch replays at work, but a maximum of one replay as I have to get up from the computer a bunch.

Also what do you think are the best fundamental skills to master? My larvae inject timings have been steadily getting better but around my third expansion it starts to slip up with more and more fights happening. My macro is getting better, I'm expanding better and such, but sometimes I still feel like it's a tad too slow, being Zerg all.


And lastly what are some good ways to hold off early Protoss pressure that goes into 3 gate robo with Colossi. I see you explained a few times you prefer Mutas, but they're so ungodly expensive and to keep up a decent count that will allow you to defend properly it feels like you'll never get out of them. Colossi/Zealots completely dominate the Lings so it's hard to get that mass amount of Muta's while still trying to defend early harassment.
Izzachar
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden285 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-05 20:51:24
October 05 2010 20:29 GMT
#184
Wow I'm blown away by the game on xel naga where the T makes early PF at gold and then takes third.

You are actually behind in eco for a bit.

I think no way you can win vs a terran that just got a gold and set up his defense there and takes a third.

Then he pushes with tanks with a slightly bigger army

And I think NO WAY.

Then you attack his PF gold when he kills your gold. And I think NO WAY that you will get out on top of this now loosing so much to that PF. Then engage in a battle where you have 3.9k army vs terrans 5.5k army. And its hydra/ling (with infestor support) against marine/marauder/tank that I think absolutely OWNS lings and hydras. You basicly trade armies even here, 4k losses on both sides in a battle that should be way more one sided and your reinforcements clean up the mess. Your patience engaging that army was truly something special to watch. You waited till his tanks was out of place and took the opportunity. And you could even have microd the infestors better! 2 died with full energy so the potential was even higher in that battle. Awesomely played



Really peaks me interest into using infestors more.
NYgh0st
Profile Joined October 2010
52 Posts
October 05 2010 21:17 GMT
#185
Do these replay packs have commentary or no?
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Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
October 05 2010 22:31 GMT
#186
QUESTION: in zvp you seem to like getting the hydra very early, but as seen in a few of the reps you have some trouble w/ the 4 gate all in. Why not just use roach ling to hold it off w/ a few spine crawlers instead of rush teching which can get you into trouble

** a side question off the 1st is in some zvp's you do make a roach warren but make no roach and continue to make drone. Do you feel that you need that much of a economic advantage vs protoss to win the game. From watching Cool and Check they both prefer the lower teir units and making sure they are safe defensewise b4 teching and this seems to really work out well. And since your expo is up much earlier if they decide to expo, you can just drone up and still maintain a large lead in economics and get a 3rd base
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:25 GMT
#187
On October 05 2010 14:52 Jechte wrote:
Artosis,

First of all great replays and great job casting GSL and good luck in season 2.

Really interested in your use of Hydras in ZvT. Your creep spread is impeccable and just watching these games has actually made me improve my ability to spread creep while still macroing so for that I thank you.

My questions:

1. If you see your opponent research blue flame helions, what is your reaction? I understand that you can use fungal to prevent them from kiting, but is there a way for you to be agressive before they can push with something like infernal preigniter + thor + banshee? I'm not exactly perfect with this order of teching, but I had a ton of hydras and lings get ruined by about 8 or 9 blue flame helions while I was still trying to get infestors out.

2. What factors influence the timing of your third base and fourth base?

3. What factors influence whether you will get a hydra den first or the infestation pit? Do you ever incorporate other units into the mix with this strategy?

4. Have you ever had to delay your evolution chambers or upgrades to fend off a timing push?

If you could answer even SOME of those, it would be VERY helpful! Again great stuff, very nice to see some fresh play instead of the stale ling bling muta that seems to permeate so many ZvT games. Granted, it's good, but innovation is important too.


Q1. A couple spine crawlers + good creep spread + some speedlings + 2 queens is enough to hold off early blue hellions. later on you have hydras and infestors so its fine. you can't be aggressive vs terran as zerg, it simply doesn't work.

Q2. I feel it all out. 3rd is as fast as possible without dying, 4th is based upon if I have a decent unit comp to take out what they are making.

Q3. I normally get infestation pit first if they aren't expanding yet. otherwise i normally get hydra. sometimes i will switch that up though.

Q4. yeah, of course. sometimes i get them after my 3rd base infact. i like them early but its not required by any means.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:28 GMT
#188
On October 05 2010 15:08 RapBreon wrote:
I have a question Artosis, not particularly game-play / strategy related, but related to the GSL.

First I'd like to start by saying; Tasteless and yourself, talk some hilarious shit when you guys are hosting the GSL, really helps the boring moments of the games become...less boring. My friends and I have been in stitches over some of the stuff Tasteless and yourself have talked about, so kudos on that point, I hope you guys are hosting next season, you did a great job.

Another point worth mentioning is that Picari sweat stuff...it looks and sounds like bottled Japanese groin sweat, just ugh, what does it taste like? Not that I guess you can give me an honest opinion on a sponsor on public forum, but I'm curious, so I'll try anyway.

Now, onto my question, when are Tasteless and yourself getting married, whose casting it and what race theme (I'm betting Zerg) are you considering?

P.S Tasteless looks like a sleepy T-rex and you look like a happy Pterodactyl, which is cool, because Dinosaurs and Pterosaurs are fucking cool.


Its water flavored gatorade. Seriously. I drink it sometimes by myself. Its not bad.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:29 GMT
#189
On October 05 2010 15:43 ktp wrote:
What is the correct follow up when Protoss blocks your ramp with 2plyon and cannons while fast expanding? Do you usually do 1 base play or are you busting out and double expanding?


There's nothing perfect yet. If they are fast expanding I might go crazy aggressive, but how I do so would depend upon the spots on the map, and the layout of their choke.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:30 GMT
#190
On October 05 2010 16:12 magha wrote:
Artosis makes a lot of hydra's vs Terran. I think someone calculated that hydras arent cost effective against a single unit of terran. But I guess when supported by melee lings or roaches theyre just so awesome dps it doesnt matter?
Anyone got some better knowledge/math about this?


Hydras outrange a buncha stuff, especially when its in a clump, not getting any sort of surface area. thats why hydras are good with fungal.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:31 GMT
#191
On October 05 2010 16:22 Adeny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2010 14:58 Artosis wrote:
On October 05 2010 13:55 Adeny wrote:
On October 05 2010 13:33 Artosis wrote:
On October 05 2010 13:21 qwerfsad wrote:
what are your thoughts on the protoss race? according to many korean pro zergs such as cool and check in their gsl interviews, protoss seems to give zergs much more grief than terrans.

do u consider protoss "stronger", in a sense, in the ZvP matchup? if so, to what degree, in comparison to ZvT


ZvP is the hardest matchup in the game. Protoss has a lot of very strong options, and the Colossus screws up the math on everything that isn't mutalisks. Yes, right this moment, Protoss is stronger than Zerg. I feel like theres going to be a big style change in ZvP, if not, I'm not sure how Zergs will beat Colossus based builds.


What's working for you/Asian server at the moment? The only thing that I have consistent success with is mass upgraded mutalisks, like freakin 50+ of them. They beat colos (obviously), and storm (magic box mutas over his army then dodge, snipe HTs, etc.) But I feel it's taking me too long to get to that amount of mutas, and that zealots are actually real scary because they will smash through anything I have on the ground then rape and pillage my little zerg cities.

I guess what I'm saying is: Nothing works consistently, on the ladder I just do random-ass cheesy doom-drop wannabes at semi-appropriate timings and It wins me games here and there but ZvP is holding me down.

Oh and keep it up, looking forward to the audio ones.


There isn't a certain thing working on the Asian servers right now that I know about. ZvP is quite hard, and as I've said a few times, it seems to be changing right now.


Well that's not helping a lot :p so let's try asking for something more specific!

Spine crawlers are completely useless on at least half the maps, how the hell do you not lose automatically to 4 gates on said maps?


I oftentimes do. The map pool is terrible.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:32 GMT
#192
On October 05 2010 16:44 H0bgawblin wrote:
Actually, here is a curve ball kind of question. If you had to list the order of things, what ever the things may be, that a person should to do get better, what would that list be? Coaching? sparing and cg's? Mass ladder?


The best case scenario is talking about the game with someone better than you, someone who realy knows what they are talking about. Watching DAy9 dailies, replay packs, practicing, watching your own replays, etc. its all important. different people do things in different amounts because of the way they learn.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:37 GMT
#193
On October 06 2010 01:05 Kaiko wrote:
Artosis,

What would you suggest a player without much time do to get better? Currently sitting around 1200-1300 Diamond and I'm trying to get better. I don't have the time to mass play really - a couple hours a day max with some more time on the weekends.

Are there certain things I can do to step up my game faster? I watch replays at work, but a maximum of one replay as I have to get up from the computer a bunch.

Also what do you think are the best fundamental skills to master? My larvae inject timings have been steadily getting better but around my third expansion it starts to slip up with more and more fights happening. My macro is getting better, I'm expanding better and such, but sometimes I still feel like it's a tad too slow, being Zerg all.


And lastly what are some good ways to hold off early Protoss pressure that goes into 3 gate robo with Colossi. I see you explained a few times you prefer Mutas, but they're so ungodly expensive and to keep up a decent count that will allow you to defend properly it feels like you'll never get out of them. Colossi/Zealots completely dominate the Lings so it's hard to get that mass amount of Muta's while still trying to defend early harassment.


Few things:

Everyone misses injects. It happens. Even IdrA misses injects. Make an extra hatchery or 2. Mutas are hard to go, yes. ZvP is probably going to change shortly here.

As far as getting better without a ton of time to practice, you can go over game scenarios in your head. This is something I used to do a lot when I didn't have time to practice enough in SC1. Simply thinking about different situations, what you would do, the order you would click in, the extra stuff you never do, going over it in your head a lot actually makes you much better. Its not quite as good as actually practicing, but a lot closer than people think.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 00:40 GMT
#194
On October 06 2010 07:31 Oodama wrote:
QUESTION: in zvp you seem to like getting the hydra very early, but as seen in a few of the reps you have some trouble w/ the 4 gate all in. Why not just use roach ling to hold it off w/ a few spine crawlers instead of rush teching which can get you into trouble

** a side question off the 1st is in some zvp's you do make a roach warren but make no roach and continue to make drone. Do you feel that you need that much of a economic advantage vs protoss to win the game. From watching Cool and Check they both prefer the lower teir units and making sure they are safe defensewise b4 teching and this seems to really work out well. And since your expo is up much earlier if they decide to expo, you can just drone up and still maintain a large lead in economics and get a 3rd base


ehhh... yeah, theres a lot of ways to hold the rush. i'm playing around with many of them at the moment. hydra is the one i've used for a long time and am quite comfortable with. i can actually get a really good economy with it, but im testing the roach ones too atm.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Freezy3
Profile Joined March 2010
New Zealand68 Posts
October 06 2010 02:26 GMT
#195
Sorry if this has been asked before but is there a reason you havn't adopted the shift+v backspace through hatcheries method of larva injection? or is it just that you're used to the method you currently use.

Nice games so far continue the great work :D
tackklee
Profile Joined September 2010
United States270 Posts
October 06 2010 03:02 GMT
#196
Artosis, I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we really appreciate what you're doing here.

Anyways.. I'm not sure if you had any experience playing cross region servers NA->KR. But, I'm in NA and have the means to get my hands on a KR account. I obviously want to play on the KR servers, as the competition is a lot harder but at the same time I'm worried about the ping. Do you think the lag is playable? Or am I better off staying on the NA servers. I completely apologize for asking this question, but you are literally the only person I can think of who may have had experience. Thanks.
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
October 06 2010 03:29 GMT
#197
VERY NICE!
i dunno lol
GreenLight
Profile Joined September 2010
United States19 Posts
October 06 2010 03:40 GMT
#198
Not sure if this was asked at any point in the thread, but you never seem to upgrade Neural Parasite even when you have extra resources for it. There were some points where i thought you could get away with it and steal a thor or two for free, but you never had it. Do you think neural parasite is useless or more of a personal choice.
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 03:48 GMT
#199
On October 06 2010 11:26 Freezy3 wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked before but is there a reason you havn't adopted the shift+v backspace through hatcheries method of larva injection? or is it just that you're used to the method you currently use.

Nice games so far continue the great work :D


I like the way i do it. Its quite good for crisis management and fits my style well.
Commentatorhttp://twitter.com/Artosis
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
October 06 2010 03:54 GMT
#200
On October 06 2010 12:02 tackklee wrote:
Artosis, I think I speak for everyone here when I say that we really appreciate what you're doing here.

Anyways.. I'm not sure if you had any experience playing cross region servers NA->KR. But, I'm in NA and have the means to get my hands on a KR account. I obviously want to play on the KR servers, as the competition is a lot harder but at the same time I'm worried about the ping. Do you think the lag is playable? Or am I better off staying on the NA servers. I completely apologize for asking this question, but you are literally the only person I can think of who may have had experience. Thanks.


The latency between us and korea is unplayable. Dont bother.
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