My buddy and I want to practice our skill a bit more before we ladder up. In custom games we just get to many copper or way to high skilled players. So we wanna try against an very hard AI. But it seems to be very hard to do with just normal build orders (non cheese). The AI just attacks one of us and they have perfect attack timings and we cant get our army's perfectly lined up.

My question is. Is it possible to beat the very hard AI in 2v2 mode without cheese?

We are only 930 silver but get rolled against diamond in league now days.

Picture from gamereplays doesn't understand computer opponents i guess :S
This replay shows how the general games went. I tried 4 gate and then we where able to stop the initial push but the second push killed us very easily. Also tried out FE and fast robo all killed us. Haru stayed with zerglings and banelings.

Rabid Wookie

United States68 Posts

September 21 2010 17:13 GMT

I've beaten 2v2 very hard, I was Terran my buddy was Toss and both AI's were Zerg (random = Zerg for some reason) We had to beat back 4 pushes, 3 of which were close, and 1 actually took out all of our expos. But after that fourth push we retook our expos I took a gold expo as well and we pushed them back. That push was stopped and we just had to reinforce to that point for a few minutes but then we just pushed straight through them. Also we didn't go any cheese builds, or covering each other's weaknesses. We just did normal straight builds and won the day.

imaROBOT

United States81 Posts

September 21 2010 17:14 GMT

Well.. first of all, if you can't beat very hard ai why not play against just hard ai?

If you're really asking if it's even possible to beat 2v2 very hard ai... yes it is.

I think you should just take it down a level and try playing against hard ai, with practice you'll get better and then you can take on the next level.

Alphasquad

Austria505 Posts

September 21 2010 17:33 GMT

no matter if its AI or human the key to team games is to prevent a 2v1 situation at any stage of the game and this means stick together with armies and on maps where this is difficult you need to scout more (you also have to scout when your armies are together)

unfortunately this seems to be a real problem but its a difference between playing 2 versus 2 and playing as a team!

Shissar

Netherlands15 Posts

September 21 2010 19:46 GMT

Little update: on twilight fortress it is 5times easier. Still not won cause we lacked a little in the end game. But thanks for giving us hope that it is possible :D

Vega08

United States17 Posts

September 21 2010 20:01 GMT

On September 22 2010 02:08 Shissar wrote:
My buddy and I want to practice our skill a bit more before we ladder up. In custom games we just get to many copper or way to high skilled players. So we wanna try against an very hard AI. But it seems to be very hard to do with just normal build orders (non cheese). The AI just attacks one of us and they have perfect attack timings and we cant get our army's perfectly lined up.

My question is. Is it possible to beat the very hard AI in 2v2 mode without cheese?

We are only 930 silver but get rolled against diamond in league now days.

It's simple I practice the same way against insane computers. You learn the true meaning of working your way into every building and constantly producing units/probes/building production rate. If you do it correct you'll win in 12 minutes. If you make 1 mistake or pylon block yourself you're dead; a common mistake would be laying down 4 gates before you even have 4-5 units. You can work your way into 3 gates and have about 12 units good eco or 2 gates and core working on warp gate research. This is just an example of it in a protoss aspect. Your partner must do the same you aiming for a timeing push at around 50-60 psi. Make sure you push at this psi or your wasteing the whole point of this build, anyone doing the same you will trade or comes down to micro; if they are doing it and you don't it's gg. This is when you should expand if u won the battle or simply keep pumping units if you know you can kill them.

jdr_

United States78 Posts

September 21 2010 21:32 GMT

Don't know about very hard, but I'm pretty sure beating Insane AI without cheesing them is impossible.

I had one game where I went 6 rax marine with no gas to start, just so I could power enough marines to stay alive for the first massive push, then I ended up getting just enough gas for 6 reactors, and then pulling everything off gas. So I essentially had 12 rax worth of marines, and I was still OUTNUMBERED by one computers army. I could understand if I just got outcomped, but there's really no gateway unit counter for marines and yet this protoss was able to steamroll 12 rax marine with just zealot/stalker/sentry(I sniped the sentries first to get rid of guardian shield).

On the other hand, I found out that all you have to do to beat the insane AI everytime is cannon rush or 6 pool them.

baconbits

United States419 Posts

September 21 2010 21:34 GMT

the key is in surviving the intial attacks, and then denying the AI's expansions.

They will starve out stuck on 1 base and as long as you are careful to stay prepared, you should be able to expand as the computer will usually try to go after you in the easiest to attack spot (typicall ymain/natural)

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