The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 65

On July 29 2011 18:40 Harpoon_5 wrote:
just went zvz and lost... we had similar resources in the end (his 30k vs my 27k)

i went 3/3 roaches he had 2/1 when he beat me
i had infestors he just had roaches

maybe people are overestimating upgrades and infestation? looks like pure numbers beats the crap out of everything..

On July 29 2011 16:39 KimJongChill wrote:
I just don't understand late game ZvZ, when both players are maxed roach/infestor and behind a bunch of spines, and neither is particularly avid to engage.

I like to do cute things like Destiny's four infestor drop to snipe some tech, but I still am at a loss for how to just finish off my opponent. Whenever I go for broodlords, they either abuse my immobility and attack everything with non-stop roaches, or just get corrupters; when I go ultras, I lose. Should I even be aiming for Hive tech, or is the answer just more infestors?

Also, I've seen some players gradually adding in hydras as the game drags along. Is this a good idea?

Thanks in advance.

On July 30 2011 01:53 Acidictadpole wrote:


I'm a new zerg player, but I think you have a decent idea building here.

Zerg's 200 army is probably one of the weakest in the game. The strength comes from being able to resupply back to 200 almost instantly from losing a fight, and then overwhelming before the other players reinforcements are done building.

In ZvZ you have this issue where your ability to remax is presumably mirrored by your opponent, so winning the 200 - 200 fight is important (since you'll use less resources to create another 200 army). That said, the destruction of tech is an interesting idea. If both of you had roach infestor, sneaking in 2-3 infestors to his main (or where the tech is), and as you engage your armies in battle, take out his tech.

He'd need to completely rebuild before beginning the hatching process, and this gives you a lot of extra time where you are creating reinforcements and he isn't.

On July 31 2011 02:33 Zeon0 wrote:
Sheth like to build early roaches in ZvT (like 5) to defend vs Hellions or attack if T rushes a CC and doesnt have a proper defense.

Can someone tell me the BO for this? I dont know when to take gas or build the roach warren

On July 31 2011 11:10 fierywinds wrote:
Hi, i have a question. Imo sc2 is a game of information and scouting is very important but I never know what to make of terran gas. Overlord sacking, the only thing guranteed to see is gas, the rest is based on luck, so i think its important. What is the second gas timing for the common terran builds like reactor hellions into expand into tank marines, or one base tank marine timing pushes or hellion into banshee opening or 2 port banshee opening? How do i tell if terran has expanded with cc in base or not based just on seeing his gas timings? I think its possible but i do not know how


Or perhaps its a lot, my question is basically, what can I make out by seeing terran gas? For protoss its easy, 1 gas = 4 gate, 2 gas = sentry expand if no sentries either blink stalkers or dt cheese coming. Easy peasy. But for terran its a lot more complex, so please help

On July 31 2011 02:33 Zeon0 wrote:
Sheth like to build early roaches in ZvT (like 5) to defend vs Hellions or attack if T rushes a CC and doesnt have a proper defense.

Can someone tell me the BO for this? I dont know when to take gas or build the roach warren

On July 31 2011 00:53 halcy1 wrote:

Hi guys,

I'm a low level player on EU who recently got promoted to silver. I'm now having problems with ZvP which wasn't apparent in bronze. I do very well in the ZvZ matchup and pretty good in ZvT. In ZvZ it's because I feel quite confident, because I know my own race well and can out-macro and out-micro other zergs at my level.

ZvT feels tricky at times if they do early timing attacks, although by no means do I give free wins, I can usually win if I survive past a certain point.

Now ZvP is where I come up really short. Any kind of 4 gate pressure will make me lose; they always build a proxy pylon and are able to reinforce right at my natural exp. Usually pure stalker or mixed stalker zealot sentry with forcefields to split my roaches off. I can't even give chase without lair plus roach speed which means it's nearly impossible to obliterate their broken forces when they retreat.

Even still I can usually break off the 4gate siege and kill their army and proxy. But by then they've been on 2 bases for awhile and I only then am able to expand myself. This means that within 5 minutes there's a huge deathball army with colossus and possibly even immortals. At that point I've been droning hard to have any chance of catching up, and have only a small army of much lower value.

I'm not sure how I can progress when winning ZvP feels such a formidable task. I'd say at least 75% protoss will 4-gate me and sentries nullify any early roach aggression from me. Any advice that could help me back on track to my goal of becoming gold? I've currently resorted to 6 pooling every single protoss I meet because I cannot win legitimately. It's almost 100% win, but I know it won't be viable at higher levels and I'm only further delaying my progress this way. I guess this is a common problem for zergs in silver, and that's why protoss always 4gate..

On July 31 2011 00:04 dementrio wrote:
assuming I'm going ling/muta zvt, without banelings, is it better to get air attack or carapace first? ground attack or carapace?

If i got it right, the idea behind the attack upgrades is that you sort of accept that all your lings will vaporize instantly but you are just hoping to get a few good (upgraded) baneling hits. So I'm getting ground carapace because i guess it works better for pure ling. without banelings you are also using mutas vs marines more often but I can't decide if this would make carapace better.