The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 410

On October 17 2012 13:42 HighLach wrote:
Can someone lead me to guide on ling infestor ultra in zvz? I searched a couple places but didn't come up with much.

On October 17 2012 21:02 SiaBBo wrote:
What is the correct unit composition vs. marine/marauder/medivac? After Terran hits 2-2 upgrades it's really hard to kill the bioball if opponent can split his units even a little bit. After +2 armor upgrade Marauders are way too hard to kill by Lings and Marauders kill Roaches very quickly. What's the best counter for this?

On October 17 2012 20:05 Azoryen wrote:
I have a question about scouting in a gasless build in ZvT:
If I see gas with my drone scout, this is usually reactor/hellion with inbase CC.
However, it could also be some cheese and because of this I usually find myself changing my build: taking a gas early at ~3:45 for speed, building a spine at ~5:15, sacrificing an OL at 5:45,, etc.

These measures feel kind of a waste if it's reactor/hellion, so my questions are:
- What adaptations you make to a gasless build if you scout gas from the T?
- Is there a way to know if it's reactor hellion before sacrificing the OL?
- Can I hold all cheeses like N rax stim with queens, slow lings and spines only?

On October 18 2012 05:55 lodeet wrote:



You don't need to adapt if you see early gas because 9/10 times it's fast hellion expand.

You just need to be prepared to defend against 4 hellions because when they go real fast hellions usually they are going to try and do some type of eco damage. I would probably just put down 1 spine.

Build 1 set of lings at 25 supply to scout with. If you make it to their base and see no hellions then you need to sac an OL.
If you see hellions but they don't put down a expo by 7 mins then you need to sac an OL. It will be some type of hellion rine/rauder banshee/medivac timing. Possibly proxy banshees as well.

Basically you don't need to transition to gas until you can confirm what they are doing. Any type of rine scv all in can be defended with queens and spines/drones/lings. DRG did it with 4 queens and drones. He didn't even scout the 4 rax all in but still held flawlessly.

Zerg is able to react so fast that it is imperative you maintain drone production until you get scouting information and are able to pinpoint your opponent on what build path they're taking. It is a waste to start preemptive measures in the dark. You only need to do that when your scouting gets denied.

On October 18 2012 06:22 Azoryen wrote:

Thx, for the answer.
Would love to see that DRG replay.
Any link to it?

On October 18 2012 05:05 SiaBBo wrote:
Yeah, the problem tends to be that I can't kill Medivacs and after Terran gets like 10 of them, it's really hard to do some real damage.

On October 17 2012 20:05 Azoryen wrote:
I have a question about scouting in a gasless build in ZvT:
If I see gas with my drone scout, this is usually reactor/hellion with inbase CC.
However, it could also be some cheese and because of this I usually find myself changing my build: taking a gas early at ~3:45 for speed, building a spine at ~5:15, sacrificing an OL at 5:45,, etc.

These measures feel kind of a waste if it's reactor/hellion, so my questions are:
- What adaptations you make to a gasless build if you scout gas from the T?
- Is there a way to know if it's reactor hellion before sacrificing the OL?
- Can I hold all cheeses like N rax stim with queens, slow lings and spines only?

On October 18 2012 06:38 Mavvie wrote:

Pretty sure it was NesTea, not DRG

It requires a GOMTV pass, and I'm not sure which game of the series it was. But here's the series: http://www.gomtv.net/2012gsls4/vod/70615

Edit: It's game one! You can watch it :D

Just get 4 queens and pull all your drones and then a-move

On October 18 2012 10:55 Azoryen wrote:
I have a couple of simple questions about mechanics related to gas:
What are good techniques to:
1) build 2 simultaneous extractors and
2) send the 6 drones?

For 1) I usually select a bunch of drones then I do this twice: build > extractor hotkeys + left click on geyser
Any better techinque?

For 2) it takes me a lot of time (maybe 10 seconds game time). I usually just try grab 3 drones for each extractor separately and correct it if I grab 2 or 4 instead. It seems like there must be a better way.

On October 18 2012 11:02 Mavvie wrote:

1) I do exactly this, I think it works fine! I occasionally misclick but it's not that big a deal
2) You'll get better at it. Just know the "cloning" technique -- select at least 6 drones and right click a gas. Hold shift and in the UI at the bottom center click the drone wireframe icon three times. Release shift, then right click the other geyser. Hold shift, click three more drone wireframe icons, release shift and click minerals if there's any drones left selected.

Basically you tell all drones to mine the geyser, then tell all except three to go to the other geyser, then tell all except three more to mine minerals again

If the timings work out I like to build an extractor, wait for it to be ~1/2 way done then build 3 drones and egg rally into gas, works well too! Then you don't have to spend APM selecting drones, cloning, etc.

On October 18 2012 11:14 Azoryen wrote:

Thanks!
The "cloning" technique seems more complicated, but must be faster once you get used to it. Gotta practice that.

I though about the egg rally technique myself, but the problem is I hotkey all my hatches together and the drones may come from across the map for this if this is my 4th or 5th!
Do you hotkey hatches separately?
I believe there is no priorirty in the way the larva is spent across many hatches or is there?

On October 18 2012 07:14 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Getting speed early is never a waste. If a terran sees a zerg getting early speed, he has to keep in the back of his mind that a roach/line/bane timing can come which can lead him to not doing some 3cc build. You never have to sacrifice your overlord at 5:45. If the terran hasn't taken his expo at 5:45 you can pretty much guarantee he is going to cheese you so making a spine isn't that big an investment as you only have to survive the all in without taking much damage to come out ahead. If you don't want to spend money on a spine, you could just make an extra queen or two. Queens are good against any banshee cheese or hellion cheese and you can spread creep early game more effectively. Yes, you can hold most stim timings with just queens slow lings and spines but you have to micro really hard as slow lings are shit.

On October 18 2012 21:14 Malhavoc wrote:
What's the correct way to engage a bio/tank terran force with a ling/bling/infestor army? With just ling/bling, i move lings to surround everything, and micro banes onto marines. With infestors I'm not sure which way should I opt for:

1- same as with ling/bling, but with some fungals after it to increase dps and prevent them from escaping (infestors should stay behind all the time)

2- start with fungal, then attack with ling/bling. Infestors are forced to be in front, at least at the beginning

Of course the second option sounds way more efficient, but I feel like the infestors are too vulnerable when left in the front row: if I'm doing something else (like macro) while they are left in such a formation, terran can easily stim and kill all my infestors for free.