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Snackattack
Profile Joined August 2010
United States15 Posts
September 09 2010 21:29 GMT
#21
zealots will kill hydras, but only with charge, + standard ZvP is roaches + hydra so roaches take front-line and absorb damage while hydras sit in the back doing damage, this strat is also a great counter to 4 gate if you are able to get hydras before they do their major push. Fortunately, if they attack early, you should have roaches, and their early attacks should be pure zealots. If they see roaches and obviously respond by going double gassing stalkers, then by that time you should be building a hydra den if not already finished with a hydra den.

In general this is my zvp
Open speedlings ---> harass probes (i can usually get around 5-8 probes depending on if they have stalkers or how far away their army is from their base) this is a good move vs. 4 gate because if they go true 4 gate and arn't building more then 1 or 2 zealots if any (I have seen people do nothing before 4 gate attack)
depending on success of speedling attack FE (or quick hydras + FDE if i see 1 gate core) which obviously 1 gate core = void rays 90% of the time, either way it means they are going for tech which gives me at least ~7 minutes before they will try attacking with like 7-10 voids (depending on their skill usually) by that time i have enough hydras and possibly mutas

focus on roaches / hydras after single fast expand after expo is fully running, macro time 2 cycles of larvae = attack, keep pressuring basically, usually after the first like 3 attacks i get a win.

I play random so i am curious to hear the protoss counter to this strat. It just seems that roaches and hydras counter the entire spectrum of units they can really throw at you. W/ upgrades they are a viable endgame as well.
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 21:37:33
September 09 2010 21:36 GMT
#22
Sorry, but do you really know what you're talking about?

No competent toss will wait until they mass 7-10 voidrays, who are you trying to kid?

[edit] And what kind of a bronze league toss doesn't put a zealot to block the ramp?
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Easy772
Profile Joined May 2010
374 Posts
September 09 2010 21:37 GMT
#23
On September 10 2010 05:12 LagT_T wrote:
Check Day9 # 175, adel's 1gas FE stops HuK's 5gate push.


Doesn't seem right.. Will have to go check it out as soon as I get home.
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Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
September 09 2010 22:28 GMT
#24
On September 10 2010 06:36 CanucksJC wrote:
No competent toss will wait until they mass 7-10 voidrays, who are you trying to kid?


Well, when they don't my queens end up dancing on their broken, fallen hulls, congratulating one another and exchanging transfusions.
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sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 00:14:18
September 10 2010 00:12 GMT
#25
HuK's 5gate push in that game is WAY WAY later than the 4gate talked about in the OP. (by like 2-3 minutes) The OP's build order will have warpgate research done about the same time as KotaOnCue's twilight council is finishing and he's only just starting the dark shrine. A DT rush will NOT arrive in time.

Day9 actaully covered this "all-in" version of the 4gate some time back, since people are referencing day9.

Learn your timings!

And 5-8 speedlings to harass probes? Are they not leaving a zealot to plug their ramp? 1 zealot shuts that counterattack down even in the midst of them attacking you.
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