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protoss22
United States41 Posts
How would the scenario be different if it were 10 tanks + 8 vikings. Thanks for the inputs guys. I understand there are many other variables such as ghosts, flanking, vision, positional issues, but let's for the sake of this thought process ignore them and give both players full vision of the region of the battle with unlimited scans and invincible observers. Tanks + mmm ball Tanks + vikings Thanks for your input! ^-^ *EDIT Tanks are sieged | ||
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TheImpact
United States29 Posts
A more realistic matchup would probably be with Garudians, HT, maybe some zealots or Phoenix. I'm not really a Protoss player though so, take my advice with a grain of salt (never understood that saying). | ||
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xberges
Dominican Republic56 Posts
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Omeg4
United States2 Posts
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Omeg4
United States2 Posts
On September 01 2010 13:30 xberges wrote: Hey, i'd recommend you to see yesterdays day9 cast. He talked about this, basically its a macro style play and it has worked for me. Hopes this helps. Which daily # would that be? | ||
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protoss22
United States41 Posts
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Sully907
United States97 Posts
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DGMavn
United States48 Posts
Number 168: PvT Macro Style | ||
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Yokoblue
Canada594 Posts
I dont know what do to... I went macro style and map control + a lot of harass with warp prism but i still lost... Btw really good game so... its cool to watch ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-144917.jpg) Would like some tips, he wasnt that far in upgrade in frotn of me (1-0) so couldnt be taht... | ||
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protoss22
United States41 Posts
It is possible to come out even or perhaps slightly ahead with equal cost units? Nice replay, showed some interesting stuffs. | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
100 pc theoreycraft of hallucination to tank damage. Mybe a vr u charge on a pylon would help as well.. | ||
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Torture
Canada221 Posts
Lift the tanks, own the ground army. Go heavy chargelots, tech to templars as you expand with your Phoenix map control, success. | ||
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checo
Mexico1364 Posts
On September 02 2010 05:50 Torture wrote: I find myself posting this in every PvX thread nowadays, but Phoenix's! Lift the tanks, own the ground army. Go heavy chargelots, tech to templars as you expand with your Phoenix map control, success. I play terran and phoenix are a realy good counter for tanks, i have been destroy 2-3 times by a timing push with 3 Gates+Stargate with 3-4 phoenix lifting up my tanks just as mostly zealots with charge and some stalkers take out my bio... | ||
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Cloak
United States816 Posts
Heavy on Marines/Marauder? More Zealots. Heavy on Tanks? More Voids/Immortals. Heavy on Vikings? More Stalkers. | ||
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whateversclever
United States197 Posts
There are plenty of options that you can take, Phoenix, Templar, Immortals or whatever. But generally speaking, you only want to barrel through their forces when you have an advantage. Stop trying to win fair fights. When you are in neutral situations, you are looking to accumulate small advantages until you have a significant enough one where it's not a fair fight. | ||
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s4m222
United States272 Posts
As protoss i find I sort of "trade" units to the terran at a higher rate then he does to me. | ||
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whateversclever
United States197 Posts
On September 02 2010 07:10 s4m222 wrote: also i think generally with an equal amount of units/composition terran comes out ahead... with the exception of some templar which sort of evens it out. As protoss i find I sort of "trade" units to the terran at a higher rate then he does to me. Late-game Gateway >> Late-game Barracks, but Early-game Barracks >= Early-Game Gateway. that's why you really don't want to go head to head until later on. But, Early-game Robo > Early-game Barracks. You just don't really see too much Immo/Colossus play anymore, but that's because there is a lot of 1/1/1ing Terrans out there. | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
Abuse immobilty. Use Phoenixes. Just don't do what he wants you to. You can also watch mTwNightend vs. MorroW on Metalopolis to see a nice siege tank base bust. | ||
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WinterNightz
United States111 Posts
That was indeed a fun replay to watch, but while you say you went for "a macro build", you stayed on 2 bases until they were mined out before getting a third, and your opponent had used/was using 5. Also, in terms of just plain unit composition, if you see tanks at all, or basically anything besides pure Barracks units/banshees, focus more on immortals instead of colossi. Don't get me wrong, colossi are sweet, but vs tanks or vikings, they get eaten up in a snap. Immortals, however, can target-fire tanks and pulverize them in an instant. I haven't yet figured out if it's best to send in zealots or immortals as the front line to an army that has tanks. It probably depends on how many immortals/zealots you have. Tons of zealots would mean send those in first, then tell your immortals to pick off the tanks. And personally, instead of going 3-gate robo into 5-gate robo, I would really just add on another robotics facility and get those immortals/colossi pumping out for 3-gate/2-robo until you finally add on a third. As soon as you saw tanks on the field, you should have thought to yourself, "o snap, I need heavier robo-tech." Granted, you only saw one tank before going up to 5 gateways, but still. only 1 robo-bay off of 2 bases seems a little bit light to me. Stargates might also work, but I've never played anything particularly reliant on stargate tech. I generally only add on stargates after I've gotten a third to help bolster the ground army. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
Even more surprising so many bad answers from some of the terrans too... Vs that composition it is extremely tank heavy, but in general vs tanks heres a few tips a> dont mass stalkers, they suck past earlygame, imho late on a 4-1 ratio of zealots to stalkers is best b> dont go voids in general, any decent terran player has marines and you need masses of stalkers + voids to make a decent comp out of this, and well, considering how much stalkers suck.. we move onto c> dont get immortals past early-mid period Do what any decent protoss player should do and go zealot+templar+archon Your biggest troubles come when he mixes hellions imho because it burns your only tank (zealot line) very easily | ||
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wolf_rider
Australia10 Posts
You played well in the beginning. However, you make what I see to be a rather common mistake: spend so much time harassing that you neglect the other parts of your game. You could've amassed a much larger army, researched upgrades from two forges, expanded more, teched quicker, etc. by the time the Terran made his push. I'm surprised you managed to dislodge his siege tanks after he parked them in front of your base entrance. | ||
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Ndugu
United States1078 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:09 GoSu] wrote: If you see your opponent getting a lot of tanks, pump immortals out of two robos. Mass immortals mixed with small amounts of gateway units will destroy mass tanks. This. Immortals and chargelots. Don't be shy about having an extra robo when you need lots of immortals. Also don't be shy if they do something like mech/marine/ghost, as Immortals still do just as well for cost as the same amount of stalkers (slightly worse versus pure marine, like 60 less HP than 2 stalkers) | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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xbankx
703 Posts
so against any unit combo my army is always zealots+stalkers+colo+temps. | ||
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Elanshin
Australia216 Posts
If its purely tank viking then just keep throwing chargelots at the tanks until he no longer has a tank line, very simple tanks take way too long to build a nd mass to leave unsupported without infantry or helions. Blink Stalkers are another option where you blink in to snipe tanks (when they dont have a bunch of marauders sitting there waiting to destroy your stalkers). On September 05 2010 02:30 Ndugu wrote: This. Immortals and chargelots. Don't be shy about having an extra robo when you need lots of immortals. Also don't be shy if they do something like mech/marine/ghost, as Immortals still do just as well for cost as the same amount of stalkers (slightly worse versus pure marine, like 60 less HP than 2 stalkers) Unfortunately immortals become useless paperweights if ghosts are in play. 2 tank shorts = 1 dead immortal without shields and i can just see the splash annihilating your immortals before they even get 1 shot off. (range 13 xD) | ||
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Elanshin
Australia216 Posts
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xbankx
703 Posts
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