PvP builds explained by Huk and Whiplash - Page 5

On August 07 2010 04:00 FreeZEternal wrote:
I dunno about you guys but I've died enough to 1 base colo builds even though i take the upper hand in the beginning. I've started going for the 1 base colo every game now and my win rate has skyrocketed.

On August 07 2010 07:36 kyarisan wrote:
take my advice with a grain of salt as i'm only a random top diamond player, in by no means a stacked division, but 1 base colo is really strong i think. even if they pump immortal to counter the colo, your defensive concave + FF will let you buy enough time to pump out the necessary zealots to counter the immortal production. when i see someone going immortals after my colo tech, i make sure i add enough warpgates to have 4 that i can use to pump out any additional zealots i need, as they're just really cost effective vs immortal. stalkers can kite zealot balls, but you can minimize that with colossus range and micro etc.

so by preventing a rush with immortal/stalker, if he tries to expand, then you should be able to timing attack, perhaps with the ability to throw down a twilight council and get charge lots to ensure that he cannot kite your forces but that depends partly on the map or when these different developments occur. if he doesn't expand too early, then i think you'll be able to expand yourself pretty freely with critical number of collosi.

could be wrong about all that, but it's helped me win games i really felt unsure about @_@

On August 07 2010 08:15 NB wrote:

thanks to you guys, my "counter 1 base collosi" build is winning like sky rockets =D

seriously, are you all THAT naive? =))

PvP, seeing a guy going robo and turtle up is way too easy to counter, 3 gate blink rush with robo or 2 gate FE are both crush colossi hard. not to mention the chrono by expan is double which make you macro much faster. if you try to push early with 2 colossi, 2 group control basicly crush you FAST. if you try to get 4 or 5 colossi, its basicly an all-in build since you pretty much broke. 1 wrap prism harras while you moving out will shut the deal consider how imobility the army is.

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On August 07 2010 09:58 kyarisan wrote:


a flaw in your logic is that i'm not getting colossi because i want to turtle up on one base, just that i want a fast colossus so i can have a significant advantage in my unit composition. the post i made above yours was a response to heavy immortal play prior to an expand. if i don't see immortals, then all i do is

a) scout scout scout, look for expands, twilight, stargate (if twilight, look for fast archives or shrine while observing enemy army size)
b) match gateway count
c) expand after critical mass of colossi

there are a lot of facets to this match though, and 3 gate blink stalker rush has a lot of its own problems, the fact that you're doing it blind, without a fast obs to scout the other guy, the fact that a quick TC means your opponent spent it on a robo that can produce immortals to counter the blink stalkers, etc. and yes you can focus fire on one, but if i see a TC and no robo im going to be constantly chronoboosting immortals and you won't be able to focus fire down multiple immortals before your stalkers take a ridiculous amount of damage from my immortals and the rest of my army.

On August 12 2010 21:41 FuRong wrote:
Nice chart, I agree with several posters that 4-5 gate all-in usually beats Robo play. They just have too much stuff and can overwhelm you before Collosi or Immortals come out.

Also, why isn't two gate Zealot rush all-in on the chart? Proxied or not, I have yet to win against anyone using this strat =/

On August 07 2010 08:15 NB wrote:

thanks to you guys, my "counter 1 base collosi" build is winning like sky rockets =D

seriously, are you all THAT naive? =))

PvP, seeing a guy going robo and turtle up is way too easy to counter, 3 gate blink rush with robo or 2 gate FE are both crush colossi hard. not to mention the chrono by expan is double which make you macro much faster. if you try to push early with 2 colossi, 2 group control basicly crush you FAST. if you try to get 4 or 5 colossi, its basicly an all-in build since you pretty much broke. 1 wrap prism harras while you moving out will shut the deal consider how imobility the army is.

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On August 15 2010 18:42 NET wrote:
Loving the chart. Straight forward and to the point. PvP is by far the most dynamic and fun mirror match up to play, another reason to go toss. If you guys could make a PvT chart of this sort I would and I'm sure most other Protoss's would appreciate it. PvT isn't as straight forward though so it may be a bit more challenging.