[H] Holding off Super Fast Reaper? - Page 13

On April 17 2010 05:10 QibingZero wrote:
this kind of thing is only done by randoms on the ladder anyhow, right?

On April 17 2010 01:37 btxmonty wrote:
Maybe cliff jumping should be researchable?

On April 17 2010 08:14 -orb- wrote:
The replay wasn't 6 rax it was 8 rax, dunno why all you guys keep referring to testing out 6 rax, which in my opinion is an inferior build due to how far it puts the terran behind

On April 17 2010 08:31 OminouS wrote:



Am I the only one feeling that the mule is the root to all T problems? I feel that all the nerf T has suffered in the different patches can be traced back to the Mule rather than some imbalance of the units. SCV+Rine push, early Maruaders with concussive shells, now the superfast Reapers.

I'm not suggesting that the Mule is imba in any way, but since it creates money from only energy (chrono boost and spawn larva doesn't obviously) it opens up for really early unitproduction for the Terran race. The 8raxes and 11starport(vsZ) is imo not even that cheesy since the mules makes the transsision into a macro game later possible.

On April 17 2010 01:18 Chen wrote:
for those of you who dont want to watch the replay orb posted, its proxy 8 rax, ultra fast reaver into proxy 2-rax marauders. Orb Chrono'd the zealot and the stalker

On April 17 2010 06:04 WorkersOfTheWorld wrote:


Nope.

Demuslim Reaper Cheese vs. HasuObs

On April 17 2010 14:05 dNo_O wrote:


yeah... and orb sat there and spammed apm when the terran ran his reaper into the middle of his probe line... instead of just two clicking it and killing it by surrounding with probes, he has 250 apm from doing what? spamming hotkeys? he also knew were the proxy was as soon as the first reaper got there and he just sat spamming apm with his stalkers chillin near his probes instead of shutting it down... the three replays i've seen of orb 'trying' to stop proxy reapers he has 200-300apm and isn't even doing anything with it while his opponent's reapers chill and shoot at his probes...

does anyone try to treat it like a bunker rush? in sc1you pull how many drones if the terran tries to bunker your nat? 5 if you're jaedong... and 6-8 if you're not?

i think it looks like more of a mule timing issue. if you can just replace not having 6 scvs by using energy that your cc starts with, and you don't have to have to pay for food for it either... why would you want to build those scvs at all when you can just catch up in the next 90 seconds or less?

On April 17 2010 15:23 QibingZero wrote:


Yeah, that was sarcasm heh. People seem to think this is the type of thing that only works when you're playing absolute noobs.



Have you actually tried killing reapers with probes before, or are you just being facetious? The comment about surrounding them with probes is especially choice.

On April 17 2010 14:05 dNo_O wrote:


yeah... and orb sat there and spammed apm when the terran ran his reaper into the middle of his probe line... instead of just two clicking it and killing it by surrounding with probes, he has 250 apm from doing what? spamming hotkeys? he also knew were the proxy was as soon as the first reaper got there and he just sat spamming apm with his stalkers chillin near his probes instead of shutting it down... the three replays i've seen of orb 'trying' to stop proxy reapers he has 200-300apm and isn't even doing anything with it while his opponent's reapers chill and shoot at his probes...

does anyone try to treat it like a bunker rush? in sc1you pull how many drones if the terran tries to bunker your nat? 5 if you're jaedong... and 6-8 if you're not?

i think it looks like more of a mule timing issue. if you can just replace not having 6 scvs by using energy that your cc starts with, and you don't have to have to pay for food for it either... why would you want to build those scvs at all when you can just catch up in the next 90 seconds or less?

On April 17 2010 20:01 Mythranor wrote:
I know this is my first post, but I've been reading the forums for a while and just thought I'd add my 2 cents here. I've gone up against this 3 times today. The first two I did standard opening and got killed. The third time I scouted it with my probe after building a pylon on 9 (this was on steps of war). I saw he had a 1/2 finished rax and almost finished gas (I went back and watched the replay he went 8rax 10 gas) so I canceled my gateway and put up a forge. I was kind of expecting it so i had kept my original pylon around my base. The forge was up at 14/18 I kept building probes and had 4 cannons protecting my main when his first reaper hit. When I watched the replay I had 2 cannons done and the other two started when his reaper finished. After holding off that first reaper I put up 2 gateways and a core and then a sentry and a stalker which allowed me to push out. Cannons out range reapers and can kill one in 3 shots. Just my 2 cents. (btw my opponent was in gold ranked 11 in his division but I didn't see any way he could have gotten the reaper out faster).

On April 17 2010 20:35 Skyze wrote:
I rush my stalker asap, but if I scout and see he proxied his rax (ie faster reaper outing) I will build one zeal while my core is being built, to at least chase abit so the reaper cant just reign free on my probes. Sure it puts your stalker and economy behind abit, but it is worth it to possibly only lose 1-2 probes instead of 4-5.

Also, if I am feeling extremely vunerable to a reaper rush from the start (ie the player is a known cheeser, a randomer or certain maps) - I make sure to pylon on 8, gate on 9, core 10. It gives me a few extra seconds for that stalker to come faster, at the cost of economy. But better safe than sorry in certain situations.