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[H] Terran Vs David Kim Zerg

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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 20 2010 23:09 GMT
#1
How to stop Zerg 13-hatch build in this??? David Kim just owns me in these games.

Here's a couple replays of the build I don't know how to deal with.

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Help? Suggestions? How can we stop David Kim?
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
February 20 2010 23:16 GMT
#2
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 20 2010 23:17 GMT
#3
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim
kOre
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada3642 Posts
February 20 2010 23:20 GMT
#4
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol
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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 20 2010 23:23 GMT
#5
lmao

it doesn't seem like any sort of early aggression will work because as he expands, he gets speedlings then techs straight into lair with banelings, then switches to mutalisks and proceeds to keep me contained.

do I just need to expand, turret-turtle up and mass?
pencilcase
Profile Joined September 2007
United States330 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 23:27:18
February 20 2010 23:26 GMT
#6
Have you tried Torch's fast reaper build? With it you can get a reaper at his base before 16 supply and be able to do damage to the zerg before he can get speedlings.
Elec
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada136 Posts
February 20 2010 23:28 GMT
#7
On February 21 2010 08:20 kOre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol



you my friend are a genius xD
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ejac
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1195 Posts
February 20 2010 23:29 GMT
#8
On February 21 2010 08:09 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Help? Suggestions? How can we stop David Kim?


You don't stop david kim. That being said, thanks for the replays, please upload any of dayvie.
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
February 20 2010 23:29 GMT
#9
On February 21 2010 08:20 kOre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol


Make sure to eat a Korean, as well. I heard that helps.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
February 20 2010 23:42 GMT
#10
On February 21 2010 08:29 flamewheel91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:20 kOre wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol


Make sure to eat a Korean, as well. I heard that helps.


if it you still cant stop david kim, then try to sleep WITH a korean. if you cant beat him, maybe your half-korean son/daughter can!
TorcH
Profile Joined February 2010
United States113 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-20 23:44:24
February 20 2010 23:43 GMT
#11
On February 21 2010 08:26 pencilcase wrote:
Have you tried Torch's fast reaper build? With it you can get a reaper at his base before 16 supply and be able to do damage to the zerg before he can get speedlings.


Watching the replays, if you'd gone fast reaper, it would have been GG. 1-2 reapers should be at the Hatch before the pool is even done = no lings, no queen, no crawlers = GG.

Edit: just make sure you FF the hatch instead of killing any drones that are trying to stop you.
0mgVitaminE
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1278 Posts
February 20 2010 23:44 GMT
#12
On February 21 2010 08:42 cowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:29 flamewheel91 wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:20 kOre wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol


Make sure to eat a Korean, as well. I heard that helps.


if it you still cant stop david kim, then try to sleep WITH a korean. if you cant beat him, maybe your half-korean son/daughter can!

haha +1
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Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
February 20 2010 23:47 GMT
#13
Reapers seem imba, but there must be some sort of counter to them. I wonder if david kim knows what it is... lol.
Klockan3
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Sweden2866 Posts
February 20 2010 23:48 GMT
#14
On February 21 2010 08:42 cowman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 08:29 flamewheel91 wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:20 kOre wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:17 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On February 21 2010 08:16 d3_crescentia wrote:
The only way to stop David Kim is to become David Kim.


rofl ok but how does once become david kim

Think like a Korean, Eat like a Korean, Sleep like a Korean, become a Korean. lol


Make sure to eat a Korean, as well. I heard that helps.


if it you still cant stop david kim, then try to sleep WITH a korean. if you cant beat him, maybe your half-korean son/daughter can!

So, that's why people have an Asian fetish around here?
IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
February 21 2010 00:12 GMT
#15
You played very low eco style in both games. Can't Terran FE like in SC1?
SirNeb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States243 Posts
February 21 2010 00:37 GMT
#16
I watched both games, but he didn't have to go banelings to win against you with the economy that he had. something you can do that will help the marines is to spread them out so even if he takes you out, it takes more banelings to do so. Also if you see them coming, stim marines can take out a lot of them before they get to them.. I'm not sure how Marauders actually fit in your army make up honestly. Siege tanks probably do pretty well w/ its splash damage and range against tons of low hp banelings.

But like I said, you are too focused on the banelings but they definitely are not the game decider.
Augury
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States758 Posts
February 21 2010 00:56 GMT
#17
You need to take your expo earlier, make way more marines.... Helion with Tech Upg -> lings + bane, marines > muta/roach/hydra
TheDrill
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 02:32:39
February 21 2010 02:32 GMT
#18
On February 21 2010 09:56 fnaticAugury wrote:
marines > muta/roach/hydra

This is false. Hydra > marines.
TERRAN MAROIDER RAGE
DrivE
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States2554 Posts
February 21 2010 02:37 GMT
#19
work at blizzard.
LUCK IS NO EXCUSE
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
February 21 2010 02:40 GMT
#20
On February 21 2010 11:32 TheDrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 09:56 fnaticAugury wrote:
marines > muta/roach/hydra

This is false. Hydra > marines.


Everything > marine
:)
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
February 21 2010 02:42 GMT
#21
hydras are actually > marauders

upped marines+medivac > hydras
onmach
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States1241 Posts
February 21 2010 04:42 GMT
#22
No offense or anything, but if this were brood war, your build would be considered cheese. He's found a two hatch build that has just enough early zerglings/spine crawlers to hold off your early aggression. The problem is that you haven't.

It is like in brood war, where protoss expands, puts up cannons and then a newbie runs his zerglings into them. It is pointless.

I'm not terran, but my first instinct would be, if you think you are playing a good zerg, just scv scout and if you see two hatches, go ahead and transition into some sort of expand build. It'll probably involve straight up marines and some bunker play at your expo to deal with zerglings. And you'll probably have to cut scvs a bit to get the cash to put it up.
Wire
Profile Joined July 2009
United States494 Posts
February 21 2010 05:00 GMT
#23
david kim is the ultimate resource currently for decent build orders
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Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
February 21 2010 05:10 GMT
#24
A youtube of this would be greatly appreciated for the non-beta ilk.
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sythax
Profile Joined May 2009
Scotland57 Posts
February 21 2010 05:45 GMT
#25
On February 21 2010 14:10 Tha_Docta wrote:
A youtube of this would be greatly appreciated for the non-beta ilk.

(。◕‿‿◕。)
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 05:46:44
February 21 2010 05:46 GMT
#26
On February 21 2010 14:10 Tha_Docta wrote:
A youtube of this would be greatly appreciated for the non-beta ilk.


this, and watch how he lost the other games he played. Maybe there will be clues.

EDIT, nvmd he doesnt put out replays?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 06:22:18
February 21 2010 06:21 GMT
#27
Thanks for posting the reps (zerg player here). I like how in the 2nd replay Davie uses his queens initial energy to spawn a creep tumor to create a path between main/natural. I never even considered using the initial energy for anything but larvae, was great to see. I still prefer 1 hatch queen roach pressure into hydra (or muta)/xpansion vs terran, but copying anything from David Kim can't be bad.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
February 21 2010 06:34 GMT
#28
all in david kim.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
February 21 2010 06:47 GMT
#29
6 pool
shadowmarth
Profile Joined September 2009
15 Posts
February 21 2010 07:05 GMT
#30
Expand earlier, but for the most part, FIND A COUNTER TO MUTAS AND WORK IT INTO YOUR BUILD. Both times the muta harass tore you apart. The second time he only had FOUR MUTAS and he still was running in and out messing with you, and you'd spent hundreds on missile turrets. I understand Thor is a half decent muta counter since he's the only Terran anti-air with an advantage against bio. But for the most part he just out-resourced you. To be expected from a player with so much more experience with the game. Super thanks for the replays though, they were entertaining.
Warglebargle
Depops
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Australia101 Posts
February 21 2010 07:28 GMT
#31
I think if you're worried about muta harass you need to research stim as soon as you can. The research time for it is 140 seconds which I think needs to be reduced. It was only 50 seconds in SC1.
Failsafe
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States1298 Posts
February 21 2010 07:38 GMT
#32
i've seen a lot of posts concerned with mutalisk. i like the idea that mutalisk are just straight up overpowered in SC2. in SC1 you've really gotta throw in a lot of time and effort in order to access the overpowered mutalisk feature. if that's been simplified in sc2, that really saves me a lot of mechanics practice.
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