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I thought I'd create a brief knowledge resource for Collapsible Rock Towers. This is subject to change if Blizzard decides to alter their behaviors.
- Unmodified collapsible rock towers have 500 hp and 3 armor. Standard rocks/debris have 2000 hp/3 armor
- Once toppled, the place where the tower previously stood is permanently unpathable. Standard 2000 hp/3 armor rocks will appear at the green highlighted area indicated prior to the killing of the tower.
- If the rock tower falls on any buildings, it kills those that have 500 or less hp and standard 2000 hp rocks will appear as normal.. so pylons, depots, photon cannons, spines, etc. will all die. If the building in the way has over 500 hp, it subtracts 500 hp from the building and the rocks will not appear. *This uses current hp by the way, so a nexus that has just begun construction would die from the rocks and the rocks would appear, even though a completed nexus or any nexus >500 hp would survive it and the rocks wouldn't appear.
- If the rocks fall on a geyser or minerals, the resources are deleted off the map. They are gone forever, and will still be gone once you destroy the resulting rocks.
- Rocks falling on units just make the units move out of the way (regardless of whether they are attacking something other than the rocks, holding position, or patrolling), however if workers in the fall path are mining gas or minerals, they will be killed. Workers repairing a building or unit will live. Units in bunkers will not be killed, they will just be moved to the side when the bunker dies. Most units that are immobile (burrowed zerg units, burrowed mines) will die. edit: still need to test: units that are fungaled, units in the middle of recall, etc.
- Strangely, if rock towers are set up in a line a la dominoes (edit: OR NEAR EACH OTHER IN ANY FORMATION), they act as though they are one singular unit. If you are shooting only the first one, they all will take that damage and all die at the same time. When they fall they all produce rocks. So, if you were to set them up so that there's a pathable gap inbetween each "domino" but still have them hit each other , then you could have several gaps closeable by killing only 1 of the rocks.
- Blizzard did a stealth-change at some point where if the rocks resulting from rock towers' falling at the same time overlap, one of the rocks will be destroyed (it's hard to determine which one will be destroyed)
Still need to test: how far you have to place rock towers apart to make them not share health. And find out if there is a way to unlink rock towers that are near each other.
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Also worth mentioning is what results when a rock tower collapses onto another rock tower. In a test I did, I lined up a series of rock towers, much like dominoes, and as the first one in the line took damage, so did all of the others. I don't exactly remember what happened in terms of the production of actual rocks/deletion of towers, so it could use further testing.
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On January 28 2013 16:29 Fatam wrote:
[*] If the rocks fall on a geyser or minerals, the resources are deleted off the map. They are gone forever, and will still be gone once you destroy the resulting rocks.
Now that's something map makers can play around with. Maybe there will be maps where you can shut down where opponents can expand by killing collapsible rocks, sounds pretty interesting to me.
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United Kingdom14103 Posts
On January 28 2013 16:33 NewSunshine wrote:
Also worth mentioning is what results when a rock tower collapses onto another rock tower. In a test I did, I lined up a series of rock towers, much like dominoes, and as the first one in the line took damage, so did all of the others. I don't exactly remember what happened in terms of the production of actual rocks/deletion of towers, so it could use further testing.
I want to see rock wars! Gimme rocks exploding everywhere!
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Now that's something map makers can play around with. Maybe there will be maps where you can shut down where opponents can expand by killing collapsible rocks, sounds pretty interesting to me.
I agree. The tricky thing is how to balance it. Do you have two optional, let's say, thirds, where both have collapsible rocks that can destroy some of the resources? Might be OP if they kill it at both places because then you can't get a full base anywhere. Or do you just have the rocks at only one of the two optional thirds? If you do that, then no one will expand to the one with the rocks. I think there is a solution but it could be tricky to find it.
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On January 28 2013 20:24 uh-oh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 16:29 Fatam wrote:
[*] If the rocks fall on a geyser or minerals, the resources are deleted off the map. They are gone forever, and will still be gone once you destroy the resulting rocks.
Now that's something map makers can play around with. Maybe there will be maps where you can shut down where opponents can expand by killing collapsible rocks, sounds pretty interesting to me.
I talked about this awhile ago but at that time rock towers fizzled completely when landing on reassources.
This in theory means you could create a crazy 8Hm2Hg base with 2 rocks towers overshadowing(and a central rock for good meassure) and it could actually be balanced and a fun mechanic. You wanna actually be careful on making sure your sides gold base is safe while trying to destroy your opponents.
Not a mapmaker myself through. University takes the time.
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If the building in the way has over 500 hp, it subtracts 500 hp from the building and the rocks will not appear. *This uses current hp by the way, so a nexus that has just begun construction would die from the rocks and the rocks would appear, even though a full hp nexus would survive it.
This feature has a lot of potential for us mapmakers to exploit, I think!
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On January 28 2013 22:49 Fatam wrote:Show nested quote +Now that's something map makers can play around with. Maybe there will be maps where you can shut down where opponents can expand by killing collapsible rocks, sounds pretty interesting to me. I agree. The tricky thing is how to balance it. Do you have two optional, let's say, thirds, where both have collapsible rocks that can destroy some of the resources? Might be OP if they kill it at both places because then you can't get a full base anywhere. Or do you just have the rocks at only one of the two optional thirds? If you do that, then no one will expand to the one with the rocks. I think there is a solution but it could be tricky to find it.
I do believe the way to go would be high yields reassources. It should also be relatively easy to control how much of the bases reassources is killed when the rocks fall.
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This is getting thrown into the index -- great job gang!
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So I tested everything I wanted to test and updated the OP to reflect. I was wrong about one thing before, sorry about that, rocks falling on SCVs doesn't kill them when they're repairing something, it only kills them when they're mining.
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Strange that mining workers are killed by falling rocks. Anyhow, great information: I've been wondering about some of that.
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Additional questions about rocks:
Immobilized units (fungled units, burrowed zerg unable to burrow-move, sieged siege tanks?) can be killed by the rocks, but what about:
1.a unit surrounded by buildings
2.a unit surrounded by forcefields
3.units in a vortex under the collapsed rocks
4.ma unit with more than 500 hp (such as an Odin) stuck there
5.a fungled unit being dragged through by a viper
6.Protoss being warped in
7.a unit lifted by a phoenix, and dropped back into the collapsed rock
8.a fungled unit lifted by a phoenix and dropped back into the collapsed rock
Most of these are kinda silly, but I can see points 2 and 6 being useful in an actual game. Anyway, I'll try to think of more of them  .
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Nice, those are good things to test. Although #3 doesn't apply since vortex doesn't exist in HOTS anymore.
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On January 28 2013 23:54 SigmaFiE wrote:
This is getting thrown into the index -- great job gang!
No, great job you. ;D
regardless of what actually happens, there should be an achievement for #8
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On January 28 2013 22:49 Fatam wrote:Show nested quote +Now that's something map makers can play around with. Maybe there will be maps where you can shut down where opponents can expand by killing collapsible rocks, sounds pretty interesting to me. I agree. The tricky thing is how to balance it. Do you have two optional, let's say, thirds, where both have collapsible rocks that can destroy some of the resources? Might be OP if they kill it at both places because then you can't get a full base anywhere. Or do you just have the rocks at only one of the two optional thirds? If you do that, then no one will expand to the one with the rocks. I think there is a solution but it could be tricky to find it.
How about healing rock towers?
If we add more HP to the towers, lets say +3000 hp but 0 armor and a low healing rate of x%/sec, then the player that has the early map control will obviously try to destroy the rocks to fuck his oponent third, but if the rocks has a lot of HP this player will have to commit making alot of units to do so, and even if he does there's still another +3000hp tower to destroy if he wants to let his opponent without a 3rd, and if he tries to just damage the rocks (lets say he let only 100HP on the tower) to then destroy them by making a drop later in the game, the regeneration in the tower would give the defending player more time to deal with the dropped units.
im not sure that i explained my idea correctly by i guess i did it well enough.
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If the rock tower falls on any buildings, it kills those that have 500 or less hp and standard 2000 hp rocks will appear as normal.. so pylons, depots, photon cannons, spines, etc. will all die. If the building in the way has over 500 hp, it subtracts 500 hp from the building and the rocks will not appear. *This uses current hp by the way, so a nexus that has just begun construction would die from the rocks and the rocks would appear, even though a completed nexus or any nexus >500 hp would survive it and the rocks wouldn't appear.
Hahaha just put down one next to an expansion and make it soo that the entire early game is focused on it not collapsing xD
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Is it possible to block paths with mins that have collapsible towers beside them so you have option to clear a path by either shooting down rocks (twice) or mining out the nodes?
Is it also possible to have collapsible rocks that slowly lose hitpoints so that over time it kills itself to block off a path? Maybe you can make an expansion available early that get blocked off during the midgame, or high yield expansions that have rocks collapse of them if you don't try to take it early, etc...
Is it possible for the stump left behind to be triggered to rebuild itself so that you can have another collapsible rock regenerate after you've killed it?
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That last thing would be awesome.
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On January 28 2013 23:54 SigmaFiE wrote:
This is getting thrown into the index -- great job gang!
What index?
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What happens if you set a nuke and then collapse the rock on top of it? Does the nuke still arrive or get cancelled?
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If you stack rock towers, the rocks themselves are not stacked. If you have collapsing rocks falling where the rocks overlap each other at all, only one of them will survive.
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On May 10 2013 07:18 RFDaemoniac wrote:
If you stack rock towers, the rocks themselves are not stacked. If you have collapsing rocks falling where the rocks overlap each other at all, only one of them will survive.
do you mean the original rock towers? or the fallen rocks? because the fallen rocks can overlap
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On May 10 2013 08:47 a176 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:18 RFDaemoniac wrote:
If you stack rock towers, the rocks themselves are not stacked. If you have collapsing rocks falling where the rocks overlap each other at all, only one of them will survive. do you mean the original rock towers? or the fallen rocks? because the fallen rocks can overlap
Not anymore. They stealth-changed this at some point around a month ago. Or maybe they didn't mean to change it, but somehow it got changed b/c of something else. Who really knows.
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well i just made a thread about rocks, as i missed this one. but this picture,
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/cNTOVPI.jpg)
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Yeah hmm it's quirky i guess? I've had it with slightly different positioning than that (but still overlapping) and one of the rocks dies.
It's why I had to make a hotfix for Mammoth a little while back. The rock fall-positions in the middle used to slightly overlap and then one day I noticed that one of the rocks now disappeared when I killed the towers (consistently, I tested it multiple times to make sure). A slight repositioning so they didn't overlap and it was fine. There must be some variable we aren't aware of.
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Now we just need a collapsible rock entry on liquipedia. It is conspicuously absent.
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