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Mar Sara Fissure (1.0)
Made by: OxyGenesis
Published on: N/A
Map Size: 147x154
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This is my first map, so I wanted to explore as much of the editor as possible. I made it for the MotM: ProAm tournament. The layout is something that has been in my head for a while, the main features being the ridge of high ground through the middle, different expansion paths and split map opportunities.
I am still learning, and so welcome any feedback.
Pictures (Aesthetics):
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Texture Set:
Mainly Mar Sara, custom lighting.
OxyGenesis
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The aesthetics are done quite nicely. You should use less straight edges though.
You need bigger chokes. Are you sure that your bridges work? Your mains look quite small, they should be 25 CCs at the very very least. Your 9 and 6 o´clock bases are impossible to take because they block the only chokes on the whole map.
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On July 08 2012 19:11 Aunvilgod wrote:
The aesthetics are done quite nicely. You should use less straight edges though.
You need bigger chokes. Are you sure that your bridges work? Your mains look quite small, they should be 25 CCs at the very very least. Your 9 and 6 o´clock bases are impossible to take because they block the only chokes on the whole map.
The bridges do work (they are traversable) but I am sure that someone knows a better way of doing them. I searched for quite a while but couldn't find anything on how to do proper bridges.
How do I calculate the size of the mains? I have made them larger from a previous version but they may need to be enlarged again.
Do you mean the 9 and 3 o'clock bases? I'm not entirely sure what you mean by them blocking the only chokes on the map.
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OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason.
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On July 08 2012 19:31 kim9067 wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason.
You place the doodad on the low ground below where you want it, then double click it and change the height value up to where you need it 
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On July 08 2012 19:38 OxyGenesis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:31 kim9067 wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason. You place the doodad on the low ground below where you want it, then double click it and change the height value up to where you need it
Can you do this with any doodad? For example on my map virtual battle, could I do it with the forcefield walls?
Also, one thing I realized, you know the rocks at the third? wouldnt it be better on the defender's side? Or did you have another intent?
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On July 08 2012 19:47 kim9067 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:38 OxyGenesis wrote:On July 08 2012 19:31 kim9067 wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason. You place the doodad on the low ground below where you want it, then double click it and change the height value up to where you need it Can you do this with any doodad? For example on my map virtual battle, could I do it with the forcefield walls? Also, one thing I realized, you know the rocks at the third? wouldnt it be better on the defender's side? Or did you have another intent?
I'm not sure if it would work with other doodads, I have only tried with the mar sara bridges. Needs testing I'm pretty sure creep doesn't work on these bridges though, and despite searching a lot, I have no idea how the 'pro' map makers make their bridges.
The rocks on the 3rd are meant to make it easier to defend attacks from that side. The other side isn't too bad as you can defend at the bridge instead and the Xel'Naga gives you prior warning.
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Or did you mean that side of the ramp? You could be right with that one. I can't remember my logic for placing it on that side except that maybe it would be harder to get a good concave on it due to the gas geyser, thus forcing the attacker to be a bit further forwards if they want to destroy the rocks. I haven't tested this however.
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On July 08 2012 19:53 OxyGenesis wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:47 kim9067 wrote:On July 08 2012 19:38 OxyGenesis wrote:On July 08 2012 19:31 kim9067 wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason. You place the doodad on the low ground below where you want it, then double click it and change the height value up to where you need it Can you do this with any doodad? For example on my map virtual battle, could I do it with the forcefield walls? Also, one thing I realized, you know the rocks at the third? wouldnt it be better on the defender's side? Or did you have another intent? I'm not sure if it would work with other doodads, I have only tried with the mar sara bridges. Needs testing I'm pretty sure creep doesn't work on these bridges though, and despite searching a lot, I have no idea how the 'pro' map makers make their bridges. The rocks on the 3rd are meant to make it easier to defend attacks from that side. The other side isn't too bad as you can defend at the bridge instead and the Xel'Naga gives you prior warning.
Yeah, that's what I thought. But since it's quite narrow, I'm afraid of siege tank pushes. But since there's a xelnaga-esque cliff at third, I guess it could be ok.
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On July 08 2012 20:00 kim9067 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2012 19:53 OxyGenesis wrote:On July 08 2012 19:47 kim9067 wrote:On July 08 2012 19:38 OxyGenesis wrote:On July 08 2012 19:31 kim9067 wrote:
OMG HOW DID YOU DO THE BRIDGES PLEASE TELL ME IVE BEEN WANTING TO KNOW THIS FOR SO LONG!
Anyways, nice map, But, like aunvil says, the mains look a little straight - diagonal is better, for some reason. You place the doodad on the low ground below where you want it, then double click it and change the height value up to where you need it Can you do this with any doodad? For example on my map virtual battle, could I do it with the forcefield walls? Also, one thing I realized, you know the rocks at the third? wouldnt it be better on the defender's side? Or did you have another intent? I'm not sure if it would work with other doodads, I have only tried with the mar sara bridges. Needs testing I'm pretty sure creep doesn't work on these bridges though, and despite searching a lot, I have no idea how the 'pro' map makers make their bridges. The rocks on the 3rd are meant to make it easier to defend attacks from that side. The other side isn't too bad as you can defend at the bridge instead and the Xel'Naga gives you prior warning. Yeah, that's what I thought. But since it's quite narrow, I'm afraid of siege tank pushes. But since there's a xelnaga-esque cliff at third, I guess it could be ok.
Yeah if you let siege tanks siege up on that cliff above the 3rd you are going to have a bad time. I originally had the Xel'Naga-esque path wider, but made it thinner to encourage attacks through the middle. I think the layout of the 3rd needs some testing.
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The bridges you see on 'pro' level maps aren't bridge doodads, but something more complicated. Most always it's a combination of a bridge-shaped piece of terrain(straight, usually narrow), manmade cliffs, and various doodads and textures to give it a distinctive bridge-type look. Still, I feel slightly dumb, because I didn't know the Mar Sara bridges actually worked, until now. I wonder if I'm the only one who didn't know... and NO, my next map is not going to be loaded with them.
Anyway, the layout itself also looks very choked, force fields would absolutely tear an army to pieces here. Combine that with how every path but the center one goes around the edges of the map, and I feel any sizable army would feel rather immobile here. It's a good first map, but I think that's your first step to improving right there. Try to get the map analyzer working, and work on the openness of the maps you make.
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i think the bridges need to be much bigger, cause split map stuff will be hell late game, nice map though.
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Lol WniO, I think they need to be a little wider but shorter. They need to be shorter to make sure Creep Tumor Range can get across them
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On July 09 2012 01:20 iGrok wrote:
Lol WniO, I think they need to be a little wider but shorter. They need to be shorter to make sure Creep Tumor Range can get across them
You'll have to use real terrain there if you want creep to spread. You can hide it underneath the doodad. Also, make sure you set the cliff level to the same as the terrain on either side (it looks like 2) so that vision behaves correctly for units on the bridge.
Also forcefields cant be cast unless you put terrain under the bridge (that isn't level 0.. hole).
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Bridges bug out some units, too. It's generally accepted that they're broken and you have to use another method.
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Just use Braxis Alpha Cliffs instead. They look good enough.
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I'm really concerned about the cliffs behind the third on this map. If the position above the third mineral line was open, maybe you could get away with it, but because an army could lodge themselves so tightly in there, it seems like a bad idea to have cliffs there. Otherwise pretty solid first map.
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On July 09 2012 02:06 EatThePath wrote:
You'll have to use real terrain there if you want creep to spread. You can hide it underneath the doodad. Also, make sure you set the cliff level to the same as the terrain on either side (it looks like 2) so that vision behaves correctly for units on the bridge.
Also forcefields cant be cast unless you put terrain under the bridge (that isn't level 0.. hole).
Some people see that as a broken doodad, I see it as a new way to rig up a dead-end base. Hmmmmm...
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Just a bunch of doodads. From the looks of it Mar Sara Bridge and Space Platform Archway Large with some other details.
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On July 09 2012 07:17 Coppermantis wrote:
Just a bunch of doodads. From the looks of it Mar Sara Bridge and Space Platform Archway Large with some other details.
the hard part is getting the top to act like terrain, whilst making you able to see under it. I'm testing out a few things.
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I think I've almost worked it out. basically, you build the terrain for the bridge, then you need to hide the cliffs so that you can see underneath it. Then you cover up any gaps with doodads.
unfortunately as far as I can tell, there is no way to hide cliffs in that way. I then thought that I could extend the terrain past where I needed it, then lower the terrain below the lava level and hide the edges. this does actually seem to work but it can get quite messy and after studying pictures of Cherno, I don't think this is how it was done.
Am I on the right track?
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How about Garden of Eden? Goddammit, bridges are the best thing in the world.
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I thought you just meant these aesthetic bridges:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S5ZAt.jpg)
Now I assume you mean these?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sNj4L.jpg)
Yeah, I can't say I know how to do those. I'd just say it's a cliff type somehow modified.
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If you're not trolling, then that's sad.
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Dragons of Eden looks like it has normal terrain acting like bridges (but spruced up with doodads). I think Cherno is the only map with the new type of bridge as far as I am aware. And yes Coppermantis, those are exactly the bridges I was talking about, they act like terrain (creep can be spread over them and forcefields work) but you can see underneath them. Next time I have sc2 open I shall try taking a closer look.
0neder, no trolling, any ESV members want to give up the secret?
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I do believe Cherno is the only one with bridges like that which has been revealed.
I don't think I should give anything away without the consent of those who are actually working with these bridges and came up with the design in the first place.
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wtf, I definitely typed this reply in a different thread.
Gfire, am I close with this? I have tried it out and it is definitely doable, but I can't get it as compact as Cherno. Is there some hidden way to hide cliffs?
On July 09 2012 08:34 OxyGenesis wrote:
I think I've almost worked it out. basically, you build the terrain for the bridge, then you need to hide the cliffs so that you can see underneath it. Then you cover up any gaps with doodads.
unfortunately as far as I can tell, there is no way to hide cliffs in that way. I then thought that I could extend the terrain past where I needed it, then lower the terrain below the lava level and hide the edges. this does actually seem to work but it can get quite messy and after studying pictures of Cherno, I don't think this is how it was done.
Am I on the right track?
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Thanks for your help Gfire, sorry for posting in the wrong thread, was suffering slightly from multiple-tab disorder. I knew I had seen a page like that before, very helpful, thanks again.
(see edit above for more on-topic)
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It doesn't revolve around lowering the terrain under the lava. The terrain needs to be at the proper height or units will walk down into the lava and whatnot, I would imagine. Unless you have a Mar Sara bridge, then the units might stay up but the creep and such would go down.
To be honest I haven't made these bridges so I'm not exactly an expert.
I did use the terrain lowering technique to make aesthetic little islands and things at heights which aren't standard, though. That's pretty cool.
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Worked it out! (I think). Will try and make a tutorial tonight.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VVWjv.jpg)
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works even better with diagonal cliffs. Time for more testing.
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Congratulations OxyGenesis, it's the same method timetwister used and taught me for cherno
and i like your idea of using mar sara bridge with -0.3 height to hide the squares on the sides of the bridge
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On July 10 2012 03:24 Superouman wrote:Congratulations OxoGenesis, it's the same method timetwister used and taught me for cherno and i like your idea of using mar sara bridge with -0.3 height to hide the squares on the sides of the bridge
Cheers! still not sure if we have done it the same way though 
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Now that I know how to do this I will use it all the time. Brilliance.
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Er, can someone please explain the process or link to somewhere that does?
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Marsara Fissure sounds like Earthshaker, hehe. Splashtech and Forcefields seem to be very strong on this map :/.
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I love how you made use of the invisible cliff for the Bridges.
at first the layout seems stretched out but it seems really solid.
very original map.
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On July 19 2012 00:23 DMR_Chane wrote:
I love how you made use of the invisible cliff for the Bridges.
at first the layout seems stretched out but it seems really solid.
very original map.
You're too kind!
I actually have an update for this map when I can be bothered to finish it.
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Oh man this looks so sexy, I have to try it out.
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