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Ovni
89 Posts
to what you said about running lings in, I tried it in the unit tester and with 3 tanks you can waste a shot with lings, run a defiler in to cast a swarm on the tanks and it still gets sniped before the swarm can be cast. I agree range is 8-9 is too much, but I think the cast delay should be gone. perhaps it's fine tanks can kill them with good reaction timing, but for bio to have such an easy time sniping them is a problem imo | ||
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Denmark9408 Posts
On January 11 2014 23:46 TBone- wrote: Just tried a map against the ai for the first time. This mod feels really smooth and I'm liking it a lot more than sc2. Are there any peak hours where I can find people to play in NA? I think most ppl play at EU. It has first recently been uploaded to NA. | ||
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Denmark9408 Posts
On January 11 2014 23:53 Ovni wrote: i don't think you can compare HT vs Ghost to defilers. in the former there is good micro/reaction timing required on both sides, with defilers you just go for the dark swarm and hope it doesn't die since it has to get so close to cast and then wait for like 2-3 seconds. there is no mystic "skill" to use it. to what you said about running lings in, I tried it in the unit tester and with 3 tanks you can waste a shot with lings, run defiler into to cast a swarm on the tanks and it still gets sniped before the swarm can be cast. I agree range is 8-9 is too much, but I think the cast delay should be gone. maybe it's fine tanks can kill them with good reaction timing, but for bio to have such an easy time sniping them is a problem imo Well, the problem then probably is the "stand still" thing. I really dislike that type of mechanic as I feel it take the smoothness out of the game. But yeh I agree that the combo of stand-still and low range is problematic, but as I said I prefer low range and instant cast rather than vice versa. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
- Possibly consider making the observer's evade skill animation bigger (2x or so). It is pretty hard to notice. People will really need to depend on the duration bar, more than anything. - Dropships do not show what units are inside. They also do not have the white capacity bars. Same thing for warpprisms. - If a unit that is being targeted by a spider mine missile is picked up and then unloaded after the missile detonates, that unit still has the target marker on it for some period (unless it stays in the i.e. dropship for a bit longer). - Would be cool if the target markers (reaver/spider mine missile/etc) could be the player's colour. - Dropships have weird selection boxes. I was able to select it by clicking on the location described by the red circled X: http://i.imgur.com/YhtErYe.jpg Seems to be only the bottom left side. - Thoughts on making the high templar have casting time or at least a deceleration time before being able to cast spells? It is instant right now. Could be used as an indirect, skill-based nerf, if necessary. Also, is leaving on the "push A and cursor pulses" thing intentional? When you push A with a unit that can attack, the mouse cursor does a crosshair circular pulse thing as if you clicked there. Not a big deal; it just takes a bit to get used to, as it was distracting at first. Removing it should just be a matter of rearranging the dependencies (the single player one). | ||
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mortales
174 Posts
GJ and thanks to the developers! | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
Also better models for the defiler would be awesome to. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
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SolidSMD
Belgium408 Posts
Getting a storm of is much bigger than getting a swarm off, zerg depends on swarm to be able to fights bio balls, bio balls can just move out of the swarm and take relatively few damage, if a storm hits it is already huge vs bio. Bio is quicker than defilers, so you can actually run away and spread out without being continuously swarmed. I know you fear for problems in regard of mech, but dark swarm really important for a zerg when fighting vs bioballs, making it good is great to discourage biodeathballs. I think it was clear in this game that ryung had it 'easy', no spectacular plays and coming back easily from a 70ish supply difference. No drops at all, while impact was attacking everywhere. I really don't think range 7 swarm will be that big a deal for terran. | ||
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
Also, I agree with Foxxan here; we shouldn't react too fast and make a bunch of changes. Let's playtest more. How many people play Zerg at a high level in Starbow? Zero. Let's get some more data before doing anything drastic. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
On January 12 2014 01:07 Fishgle wrote: Can we make Dark Swarm a bit more opaque? It was basically invisible on Texas. The animation for plague was extremely hard to spot as well. Xia is on it. | ||
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purakushi
United States3301 Posts
Also: I think the idle separation interrupts SCV repair. | ||
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ganil
253 Posts
Do they really do 70 flat damages ? | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
On January 12 2014 02:42 ganil wrote: I played a few tvp and tanks seems really strong. Do they really do 70 flat damages ? Not really. All units in Starbow has a dmg type. None of which does 100% damage to all armor types (I think). Tanks do 70 dmg to armored but less to normal and light. But tanks are very powerful in Starbow. Protoss should almost never attack into a sieged position, especially with only dragoons or stalkers unless the toss army is much larger than terran. You should rather abuse the immobility of terran mech to attack where the tanks are not, and use speedlots/drop/corsairs/arbiters/sentinels to help the engagement. | ||
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
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ganil
253 Posts
Great mod. | ||
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Denmark9408 Posts
On January 12 2014 02:42 ganil wrote: I played a few tvp and tanks seems really strong. Do they really do 70 flat damages ? DPS is roughly the same as in HOTS actually due to lower attack speed. Its Vultures primarily that make mech stronger. | ||
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Xiphias
Norway2223 Posts
http://www.twitch.tv/sc2_starbow | ||
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Denmark9408 Posts
Ok so let's say we nerf its HP from 125 to 110-115 as it might be a tad too strong early game. Now, we also want to make it good vs Reavers right. Previously there was a suggestion of the Reaver not dealing splash to armored units. That's a bit unintuitvei though and maybe hard to implement in Editor. So I wonder, what about just giving Maurauder a "hardened shield" upgrade? Make it take a maximum damage of 50-60 (roughly)? Besides making it much better vs Reavers, it will also help vs Mech where bio isn't that strong. Then Reaver will be: - Pretty good vs Marines - Mediocore vs Maurauders Overall, you do not have to rush for Reavers vs a maurauder opening, but getting them eventally vs a mix of bio is a pretty good idea. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
I also said, we could playtest more. If something is to be done with the reaver, it is to remove his dmg upgrade(he didnt even have one of those in bw) edit: He didnt have a increase in radius in bw(only extra dmg) | ||
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