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At adso's suggestions, I added a few additional polls to this thread.
Poll: Which map did you categorically thumbed down? (1 map)Delta Quadrant (110) 44% Slag Pits (56) 22% Scrap Station (34) 14% Backwater Gulch (16) 6% Xel'Naga Caverns (12) 5% Tal'Darim Altar (6) 2% Typhon Peaks (6) 2% Metalopolis (4) 2% Shakuras Plateau (4) 2% Shattered Temple (2) 1% 250 total votes Your vote: Which map did you categorically thumbed down? (1 map) (Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Typhon Peaks
(Vote): Shattered Temple
Poll: Which map favors protoss the most?Shakuras Plateau (49) 41% Delta Quadrant (28) 23% Tal'Darim Altar (14) 12% Xel'Naga Caverns (9) 8% Shattered Temple (8) 7% Typhon Peaks (6) 5% Backwater Gulch (3) 3% Slag Pits (2) 2% Metalopolis (1) 1% Scrap Station (0) 0% 120 total votes Your vote: Which map favors protoss the most? (Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Typhon Peaks
(Vote): Shattered Temple
Poll: Which map favors terran the most?Delta Quadrant (76) 67% Backwater Gulch (15) 13% Slag Pits (10) 9% Xel'Naga Caverns (4) 4% Shattered Temple (4) 4% Metalopolis (2) 2% Scrap Station (1) 1% Typhon Peaks (1) 1% Tal'Darim Altar (0) 0% Shakuras Plateau (0) 0% 113 total votes Your vote: Which map favors terran the most? (Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Typhon Peaks
(Vote): Shattered Temple
Poll: Which map favors zerg the most?Scrap Station (56) 45% Tal'Darim Altar (41) 33% Shattered Temple (9) 7% Metalopolis (8) 6% Xel'Naga Caverns (2) 2% Backwater Gulch (2) 2% Shakuras Plateau (2) 2% Typhon Peaks (2) 2% Delta Quadrant (1) 1% Slag Pits (1) 1% 124 total votes Your vote: Which map favors zerg the most? (Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Typhon Peaks
(Vote): Shattered Temple
Poll: Macro map or micro map?macro (129) 83% micro (27) 17% 156 total votes Your vote: Macro map or micro map? (Vote): macro
(Vote): micro
Poll: Do you think the graphics have anything to do with your choice?no (107) 79% yes (29) 21% 136 total votes Your vote: Do you think the graphics have anything to do with your choice? (Vote): yes
(Vote): no
Poll: What is your favorite 1v1 ladder map?Tal'Darim Altar (186) 35% Xel'Naga Caverns (128) 24% Shakuras Plateau (67) 13% Shattered Temple (47) 9% Metalopolis (43) 8% Typhon Peaks (29) 5% Backwater Gulch (12) 2% Delta Quadrant (9) 2% Scrap Station (7) 1% Slag Pits (7) 1% 535 total votes Your vote: What is your favorite 1v1 ladder map? (Vote): Typhon Peaks
(Vote): Backwater Gulch
(Vote): Scrap Station
(Vote): Metalopolis
(Vote): Shakuras Plateau
(Vote): Slag Pits
(Vote): Shattered Temple
(Vote): Xel'Naga Caverns
(Vote): Tal'Darim Altar
(Vote): Delta Quadrant
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I expected typhon peaks to do better... Weird. Anyway go shakuras :D
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Now im playing Random, before that i trained a lot with Zerg, this is just my personal feeling:
1) Shakuras Plateau
2) Tal'Darim Altar
3) Xel'Naga Caverns
4) Metalopolis
5) Backwater Gulch
6) Scrap Station
7) Typhon Peaks
8) Shattered Temple
9) Delta Quadrant
10) Slag Pits
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is this a multiple choice question? So we can't loose as long as we stick to avoid social pressure?
I'll be rooting for an underdog, as i always do in these silly polls
How easy is to judge people. It's not silly. I wanted to know what are the maps people enjoy the most. The reason is I'm organizing a competition and I want to have an idea on what maps should I add to the map pool. So from my point of view, this question is not 'silly'. And I think people would also like to know what are the most enjoyed maps, as no one really made a 'study' on this yet. 
Unfortunately this is not a multiple choice, I would have opted for that, but I didn't see an option for multiple choices when I made the poll. I'm sorry if I missed it.
My favorite map was also an underdog, namely Backwater Gulch.
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i voted Tal'Darim Altar because it's a sick map from the community, even though blizzard fucked it up by widening the entrance to the natural and adding their precious destructible rocks to the third.
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it's just your "op" should be much more detailed and full of eye candy for funsies..
AND mostly,
i feel you should ask more questions for this thread to get fascinating... as it stands it's not very conductive to constructive debate.. debates which we both like and want
This wasn't meant to be fascinating or eye-candy. But if you feel the urge to give me some suggestions or ideas, you are free to do that. I will post them if you feel they are really needed.
I am not looking for a career in forum posting, nor need the people to be fascinated by my posts. If I need the answer for a question, I ask, wait for the answer and go.
This forum is free for every member of its community. There isn't anything hindering your ability to start threads that are 'conductive to constructive debates' if you like and want them. I am not a payed forum entertainer. I am a normal human being just like you, who is looking for the answer to a question because he needs it.
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Honestly, I hate TalDarim Altar as Zerg...
ZvP is impossible at the same level. I can't double expo vs. a forge FE, there is unlimited proxy pylon space including cannons behind the natural, chokes make it easy for colossi and FF around the 3rd, and the map is gigantic so I can't stop a protoss turtling.
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On March 28 2011 00:42 ShnAndrei wrote:This wasn't meant to be fascinating or eye-candy. But if you feel the urge to give me some suggestions or ideas, you are free to do that. I will post them if you feel they are really needed. I am not looking for a career in forum posting, nor need the people to be fascinated by my posts. If I need the answer for a question, I ask, wait for the answer and go. This forum is free for every member of its community. There isn't anything hindering your ability to start threads that are 'conductive to constructive debates' if you like and want them. I am not a payed forum entertainer. I am a normal human being just like you, who is looking for the answer to a question because he needs it.
You might want to read the Ten Commandments (link), especially this part:
For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content.
@topic: I like the new Shakuras and Typhon Peaks the most. I'd include Metalopolis if it wouldn't have such a short rush distance on close positions. Taldarim Altar seems almost a littke too big for imho, I like to see it in tournaments but I don't really enjoy in ladder.
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On March 28 2011 00:54 monitor wrote:
Honestly, I hate TalDarim Altar as Zerg...
ZvP is impossible at the same level. I can't double expo vs. a forge FE, there is unlimited proxy pylon space including cannons behind the natural, chokes make it easy for colossi and FF around the 3rd, and the map is gigantic so I can't stop a protoss turtling.
Yeah I feel the same, things like a slow tank push on the natural can be rage inducing.
If you take a fast third in response to the FE that T/P can nearly always do it feels really difficult to get out enough stuff to defend it from a quick 2 base timing push, but if you don't take the fast third it's really easy to fall behind.
It just feels awkward.
It's a good map but I think a lot of people are jumping on the "it's in GSL so it must be awesome" bandwagon without thinking about how it actually plays.
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taldarim alter by far ive had so many epic games there. Probably just cause its so huge and have so many spread out expansions
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I like Typhon Peaks for some reason it just plays well to my style
and i absolutely hate slag pits >_>
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I like all the maps, they're big and impulse macro games except when close positions, but my favorite is Tal'Darim even though I haven't played a single game there!!! Still I think that Blizzard should add Crevasse!!
Still great map pool!!!
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You might want to read the Ten Commandments (link), especially this part:
For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content.
Well, I see people are discussing on the topic. If admins see this topic not worth it, they will close it. Don't see the problem here. And I don't really see what more can be added, as the topic is quite self explanatory. It's a poll about the user's favorite map from the 1v1 map pool.
If you don't like its simpleness, please tell the admins to close it and let you open a fancier one. It's the same thing to me, as I am only interested in the results. Or if you don't like the subject, just don't visit this thread. It's that simple.
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just out of curiosity, who voted for slag pits? it's a shitty map with no 3rd base and close position rush distance comparable to steppes of war. (then again, that's just my opinion)
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just trying to help get people to discuss the issue
Still waiting for your suggestions. Vague general guidelines don't really help. People are tired of words, they want facts!
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Tal darim except for the Blizzard-version with rocks on my third -.- Makes taking a third really quickly vs Nexus/CC-first impossible.
I really like new Shakuras so that´s no1.
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Tal Darim and Shakuras, with slight lead for Tal Darim (after ~10games, might change)
these two are my favourites with a huge lead to the others
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@ adso
Peut-être tu devrais t'exprimer en français, j'ai des difficultés à comprendre ta logique en anglais. You have a pretty twisted logic. What do you mean by 'social pressure'? I'm sure you have a pretty interesting point, but not everyone can see into your head.
Also, are you really interested in knowing the answers to those questions? Really?
edit: I also don't see any way in which I may be able to add multiple choice to the polls, which a lot of your proposals revolve around.
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I still haven't played any bad games on Tal'Darim altar and it also seems pretty balanced. I just wish it didn't have rocks on the third base 
Shakuras and Shattered temple are pretty much tied in second place for me.
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My sucky computer lags on XNC whenever I look at the hole in the middle...its just unplayable . One of the best maps too...
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tal was fucked up by blizzard. i cant believe they put rocks at the third. impossible to catch up to fast expanding terran and protoss as zerg.
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Tal'Darim Altar BY FAR the best map in the pool at the moment.
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My 5 favourite maps are the top 5 in the poll. It would seem to me that if most people like those kind of maps then Blizz should remove garbage like delta/slag/scrap and replace them with better maps. Backwater is a questionable map too, and I personally think Metalopolis has had its time and should be removed as well.
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I like Tal'Darim the most of the new maps, despite having liked Shakuras, Xel'naga Caverns and Metal, a lot because it feels like I can actually have games where losing an army isn't gg ragequit; I usually have time to re-build at least half of what I had before any major counter-push comes (unless I failed horribly like 30 hellions vs. 50 roaches or something), which really lets the game go further into other tech trees and feel more dynamic. In my opinion.
I also like the XWT placements and their non-overlapping areas of view, as well as the little high-ground they sit on.
It's also pretty :D
That said, I also like Delta Quadrant for some strange reason, despite its' bad rep. The main choke is a bit weird, but otherwise I like the exposed expansions and valleys in which some of them lie.
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shattered temple is my fall back, I am so used to playing on that map and I feel it is quite balanced now. Tal darim can be absurd and Xelnaga, I dont know I dont like the placement of the gold base, seems way too open =/ Though I admit shattered close spawn is annoying
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I like most of the maps. Slag Pits and Delta Quadrant are the only maps I thumb down.
The new Shattered Temple is pretty awesome and somehow I really find Backwater Gulch to my liking.
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i wonder if blizzard knows howbad it is to put rocks on the 3th of taldarim althar...
I like it but i dont think the blizzard version is good. Typhon Peaks for mee
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I thought that shattered temple would do much better Maybe come second or at least third because of the map changes. i feel it is much easier to take a third because they changed the islands into rocks...
lost temple was a great ma though
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Xel'naga caverns, the only reason im not picking Tal'Darim Altar is because there is no ramp which makes pvp even worse
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with the shift from the shitty small maps that started in beta.. and the trend of more larger macro maps... I am switching back to Zerg. I hated playing small maps and losing simply because there werent any expo's left. And as Zerg u cant win 200v200 headsup so you NEED more bases.
DEFINATLY like the new trend of putting macro maps on the ladder.
I understand that they wanted small maps for ladder because weaker players are usually significantly worse at Macro than higher levl players..but maybe they should just give the lower leagues the small "2base v 2base" maps. And let the top 3-4 leagues have the macro maps.
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And the biggest map wins.
Hear that Blizzard?
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there exactly 11 idiots at this time on this thread. Tal darim altar, zerg baby :D
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the same poll on bnet forum would be nice.
btw: am I the only person who dislikes XNC? i hate both 3rds, the blue lowground one sucks vs harass, the gold is so accessible for your opponent.
(3.2k master Zerg)
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TalDarim is my new favourite map at least.
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How can I ask the admins of this forum to please change the title of the thread to 'Polls for the 1v1 ladder maps'?
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I really dont like Tal'darim Altar, too big and the rocks on the third was a mistake from blizzard. I think my fav 1v1 right now is backwater gulch for some reason. I wish it didnt have quite as many destructable rocks (again - blizzard!) but I really like the map. Have had some very fun games on it so far.
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love xelnaga still. u cant take third easily for all races and those xelnaga towers r my vision whores <3
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On March 29 2011 02:38 CaptainCrush wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I think my fav 1v1 right now is backwater gulch for some reason. I wish it didnt have quite as many destructable rocks (again - blizzard!) but I really like the map. Have had some very fun games on it so far.
I think this way too. And, apart from other maps in the pool, Backwater Gulch remains macro oriented in both close positions and cross positions (apart from Shattered Temple, Slag Pits or Metalopolis, where you can't really take a third in close positions, unless it is very far away and very hard to defend). And the change made to the orientation of the ramp is a great change! Very underrated map imo.
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Slag pits is a lot better than delta quadrant and scrap station.
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On March 29 2011 02:51 cocosoft wrote:
Slag pits is a lot better than delta quadrant and scrap station.
The reason Slag Pits is considered a bad map is because of the very short rush distance, the very far away 3'rd base, the potential tank exploit of the main, the difficulty of dropping your opponent's base. Also it has a very disturbing color theme.
I don't like Delta Quadrant because of the color theme and the cliff above the 'protected' natural (similar to the old Lost Temple).
I dislike Scrap Station because of the close air distance (which limits your play somehow and instigates you to go for air) and the fact that the midgame also involves a potentially very close ground distance. So these two short distances makes it very hard for me to defend my natural from ground attacks, while defending my main for air harass and also securing a third. I also dislike the wide ramp at the main, which makes me very vulnerable to baneling busts.
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Why do people vote Scrap good for Z? i mean its not that easy to hold 3rd and its quite far , and just small passways and not very good places for hidden bases.
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Which map did you categorically thumb down?
Delta Quadrant.
Which map favours Terran the most?
Delta Quadrant.
+ Show Spoiler +
Which map favours Protoss the most?
Shakuras Plateau.
Which map favours Zerg the most?
Scrap Station.
Macro map or micro map?
Micro.
Do you think the graphics have anything to do with your choice?
Yes.
What is your favorite 1v1 ladder map?
Xel'Naga Caverns.
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adso: I said no to graphics mattering, but that's not because I don't prefer maps to look nice. It's because there's so much variation in the quality of maps between the best (Tal'darim, shakuras, XNC) and worst (DQ, scrap, slag) in the current map pool that map quality takes precedence over which one looks nicer in every case. If the maps were closer in quality and style of gameplay, then graphics might start to affect my preferences a bit, but for competitive games it'll always be more of a tie-breaker than a factor that could ever outweigh the mechanical aspects of the map.
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not surprised by Slag Pits not being voted very often, theres just something about that map i don't like, oh and the rush distance is lame.
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On March 31 2011 01:13 Brewed Tea wrote:
not surprised by Slag Pits not being voted very often, theres just something about that map i don't like, oh and the rush distance is lame.
And yet, there are 6 players that consider it their favorite map out of all 10 maps.
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I don't know... as a Protoss user, I like Slag Pits.
It fits my plat style Pvp Pvt Pvz. 100% win rate.
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On April 01 2011 02:10 oGm`REM wrote:
I don't know... as a Protoss user, I like Slag Pits.
It fits my plat style Pvp Pvt Pvz. 100% win rate.
What do you mean by your style? Is it 4gate? Because I don't think that macro can be taken into account on this map.
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