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On August 14 2011 04:34 Cedstick wrote:Bump, as I'm trying to do my best to get people to populate ICjug maps over that old Slime Meta one. Edit: I've single-handedly started the revolution. Went in to a ton of Meta KOTH games and told them all to join/bookmark ICjug games, gave them reasons, etc, for about 30 minutes. Now a ton of people are bookmarking/checking ICjug maps first. Got a full game going right now  BOOKMARK AND CHECK ICJUG MAPS FIRST IF YOU FEEL LIKE A KOTH!
Takes forever to get one going usually though. This would be inexistant if Blizzard would ever allow us to see a game list. Theres a lot of nice maps at the end but you cant play them because the people only check the first ones on list due to less wait time.
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Yep, but it's still possible to take advantage of this system. I've been entering full 1v1 Obs Meta lobbies and pasting this: "Guys, Metalopolis is old, not in the map pool, and this custom isn't updated. Please check/play the ICjug KOTH maps, and bookmark them too! Down with Meta, up with updated maps!"
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=========== UPDATE ===========
iCJug 1.20:
- Fixed rocks bug in Antiga Shipyard.
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Maybe we can start a thread on KOTH maps for people who want to get a ICJug game going. We might be able to get more people to get onto it in the process? You can start a small community or something for it and if anyone knows someone who stream, maybe we can get them to support it?
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Is there a chat channel for this on BNet yet?
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you making a tal'darim version?
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On August 22 2011 10:29 Nightmare1795 wrote:
Is there a chat channel for this on BNet yet?
chat channel "icjug".
Currently, I'm not updating icjug because I'm terribly busy. Sorry 
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we play koth every sunday on lolly's stream. id like to put in a request for a tal darim version of icjug as well. also would be nice if you did something to fix the apm so it reads the player's apm accurately.
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In blizzard's search box, they also need to search over category, rather than name. because a search for "1v1 obs" just leads to all those crappy old maps. unless, all of the ICJug maps also included 1v1 obs in their map title.
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I like icJug more than the slime maps, but I think a few structural defects make it impossible for it to be popular. I debated for a while posting this, and decided to because you seem like you really care about your work. I hope this comes off as constructive.
Priority System: Think about the average player. They join an icJug map, they have to wait, becaues there is NO chance of them playing first due to the priority system. They decide to wait their turn. After 25 minutes, they now have the chance to play a masters player. Of course, they lose badly. In short, the average player will never join icJug because they have 0% chance of winning even one game, and 100% chance of waiting to play.
The reason the slime map is so popular is:
No ranking: You can off race, cheese, mess around, play with one hand, etc, without worring about your "ladder" points. Anytime there is ranking, people start caring, which means there is pressure. I am playing an obs map to get away from ladder, not to join another one.
Random opponant: People love gambling. They like the excitement of being randomly chosen, and having the possibility of playing anyone from a bronze to a gm. Also, in obs maps, I don't mind watching some games, but I at least want the chance of being choosen to play. Knowing you have a 10+ minute wait time before you can play really stinks.
One map: There is only one map to choose from, so all the popularity goes to that map. Many choices means splitting popularity among all your maps. I actually don't care about the map, I just want to find an icJug game! However, I don't know which one to join, and joining them all to check gets tiring.
Crappy Coding: I am loath to list this, but in reality, this helps slime a lot. Since 2-3 people drop at the start of every game, they start a new map and already have 2-3 people in the lobby. Lots of drop/remakes increases popularity.
All in all, I feel like slime is the "people's map", and icJug is for the niche elite. Which is very sad, because icJug is pretty boss.
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bbulzibar, sadly I agree with you. You have a good observation, and yes everything you said might be right. ICJug was made to be an elite 1v1+Obs, and it was my mistake to not see that masters were only 2% of Battle.net and not enough to make a map popular.
I guess we are always learning. And I also learned that making maps isn't the best for me. So, I'm kinda absent those days busy with my non-mapper life. Sorry for the lack of updates.
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Don't be absent Rodrigo, you always make the best maps.
iCJug, SCDebates and Nexus Word Wars are all awesome.
I hope you rediscover your passion for map making even if purely for my own selfish reasons
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On September 06 2011 19:54 hillburra wrote:Don't be absent Rodrigo, you always make the best maps. iCJug, SCDebates and Nexus Word Wars are all awesome. I hope you rediscover your passion for map making even if purely for my own selfish reasons
Thank you for the compliment. I will continue making unique games like Debates and NWW were, but for a while they will be outside Starcraft. Who knows, maybe one day I make another sc2 map. Let's wait first to see how the new pop. system will look like.
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On September 18 2011 10:43 Rodrigo(scdebates) wrote:Show nested quote +On September 06 2011 19:54 hillburra wrote:Don't be absent Rodrigo, you always make the best maps. iCJug, SCDebates and Nexus Word Wars are all awesome. I hope you rediscover your passion for map making even if purely for my own selfish reasons Thank you for the compliment. I will continue making unique games like Debates and NWW were, but for a while they will be outside Starcraft. Who knows, maybe one day I make another sc2 map. Let's wait first to see how the new pop. system will look like.
I haven't played Debates, but NWW is a fucking spectacular map, and your ICJug maps are my favorite observer maps. The popularity system is godawful; your maps deserve more recognition.
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Hey rodrigo, I think the patch changed the way observing works. It seems like you might need to put an extra trigger action in to enable observers to see what things the players are building now. Maybe you already did this, I don't know. I haven't tested your map, but I know the more popular one (Slime's the only one I can play, at least when things aren't busy) doesn't show the observer's what the player is building anymore, which is pretty annoying. Maybe your map didn't/doesn't even need to be fixed because it never had the problem in the first place (haven't tested, I know I should).
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On September 23 2011 17:59 Xapti wrote:
Hey rodrigo, I think the patch changed the way observing works. It seems like you might need to put an extra trigger action in to enable observers to see what things the players are building now. Maybe you already did this, I don't know. I haven't tested your map, but I know the more popular one (Slime's the only one I can play, at least when things aren't busy) doesn't show the observer's what the player is building anymore, which is pretty annoying. Maybe your map didn't/doesn't even need to be fixed because it never had the problem in the first place (haven't tested, I know I should).
Yeah, I haven't tested either (I know I should).
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On April 12 2011 04:46 zokj wrote:I really want to enjoy these maps because everything i hear is great.. but whenever i get in to obs I get a black screen. check it out: + Show Spoiler +
I have the exact same problem. )))): Anyone knows what is happening?
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Try pressing that little + sign top right of your minimap, that might fix it.
As to OP, I have been using ICJug for a while now i have 600+ points on it. But there are 3 things that I think need to be fixed / improved.
1. player camera is good but no where near as good as 1v1obs or replays (good at showing the observer exactly where the player he is watching is looking)
2. it doesnt show the control groups (would like to see this if possible)
3. most importantly, i think a ton of people us icjug for 1v1 with practice partners where they want to play multiple games in a row. i think they only do this because they are lazy (this is why i do it) and the reason is because of the 25second counter. you can quit a game, make a new game, and be playing in less than 25 seconds  it should be reduced by at LEAST 10 seconds imo.
aside from those, epic maps tkx to whoever made them.
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This is still my favorite koth map. It's a shame it's so low on that damn popularity list.
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