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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
On February 18 2011 22:57 0mar wrote: I thought you said that in the recent tournament, a mode player dominated throughout. The best player in korea used blade hunter mode in one game i think which he dominated. But that was only 1 game. Throughout the whole tournament, the hero that dominated the most were Zava and Zeros. | ||
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0mar
United States567 Posts
On February 19 2011 00:46 assajocuna wrote: The best player in korea used blade hunter mode in one game i think which he dominated. But that was only 1 game. Throughout the whole tournament, the hero that dominated the most were Zava and Zeros. ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up. I must suck supremely with Zava then because I can't get anything going with her ever. I still do decently in most pubs with her, but this just shows how big a gulf there is between an average pubber and top players. | ||
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NamelessZero
United States41 Posts
To those talking about the Dark Tower being negated by armor and being killed in one hit, I'd really like for you to show me which hero can 1 hit the Dark Tower at level 3. I'd also like to know how you can afford to buy tons of armor starting at level 3 to negate the effects of Dark Tower. No one really cares about Hades in the mid and late game, it's the early game where Hades rules. He's a joke if you can survive his early game. The point is to find a way to stay on even ground with him. Hades can easily start trashing your buildings early since his tower outranges them and does a significant amount of damage to you at lower levels. The majority of the game is surviving the early game without falling too far behind. Nearly any hero can be destroyed so long as you don't let them gain an early advantage. Hades is just one of those heroes that are very strong early on. Assa, I agree that Knight mode and Blade Master mode are ridiculous. I can usually destroy a mode hero and almost always double team mode heroes. Problem with Genesic is that he can survive a major beatdown as well as hit you at ranged with his mode. If his ranged wasn't there, he'd just by a more sturdy Knight mode while in Rampage. The best part about skipping out on modes is that you'll get far better burst and the burst damage is what matters when killing heroes/buildings. | ||
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Ballistixz
United States1269 Posts
honestly, upgrade armor and u will find both the pylon and genesic a non factor. i usually always get armor after im done with shields and HP upgrades from the shop. and once i max out on str then i get even more armor. then i get a buff card armor. so by the time im master i have like 40-50 armor with a buff card and genesis and hades are virtually useless. they will barely do any dmg on you at all. To those talking about the Dark Tower being negated by armor and being killed in one hit, I'd really like for you to show me which hero can 1 hit the Dark Tower at level 3. I'd also like to know how you can afford to buy tons of armor starting at level 3 to negate the effects of Dark Tower at lvl 3 his dark tower only does 1 dmg per hit and has low range. medic out ranges tower, dwarven has siege which also out ranges it. arcane can nuke it. horus can prevent him from using tower altogether. etc etc. there are many ways to get around tower. the higher you level up the more of an advantage against him you have. i myself am starting to main the new hero horus. he complety negates and hard counters melee units in general so hard that its not funny. and he aint bad at all against other heroes either. | ||
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NamelessZero
United States41 Posts
For the rest of it, you're basically saying that if you want to counter Hades, you need to pre-emptively know a Hades is coming and pick a counter hero for it. Dwarven is also very weak against the tower unless you focus fire with your tanks on to the tower rather than killing creeps. By the time your early tanks actually get it down, it will have killed enough creeps in tandem with Hades' other moves that your efforts are pretty much moot and you've fallen behind in the meta. We all know he's weak at the end-game because the higher you get, the easier it is to one shot his tower but the point of picking hades is to have a major early advantage. No one in their right mind is gonna choose to pick up armor upgrades in the first two or three levels of the game, that's insane. Horus was amazingly op when he first came out but after his nerfs, he's pretty average now. I'd say he probably negates mode heroes still but not so much on everything else. Not to mention there's really not more than a handful of pure melee heroes anyway outside of Genesic, Lur, and Blade Hunter. | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
Melee heroes are purposely made strong. But they have hard counters such as Hades, Ron, Drago etc... There are 6 melee heroes (I'll leave horus out as he is a bit different). Force Fire, Genesic Hunter, Blade Hunter, Zeros, Lurcellant, Duran. They all have good and bad points. Force fire has one of the best building destroying skill (tower summon) and have highest Hp with genesic. Has blink headbutt that can slow opponent and catch up. One of the strongest early heroes in the game with potion. To play him well, u must make that early advantage to fullest. Genesic obviously can tank crazy and has a small stun skill. His damage output is probably the lowest out of all melee heroes, but has stuns that make up for it (ulti also stuns). If you chose mode, he will be almost unbeatable end game with super high hp and mode def + option. But if u picked mode, u'll have really hard time early~mid(this is inhouse game). Blade Hunter is one of the best hero in the game. Has a pretty big slow aoe, also his ulti is awesome that can blink strike heavy damage. His z skill also slows down so if you get hit by his skills, u won't be able to run away. His damage output is above average out of the melee class. Very good overall. Zeros. Probably the best hero with Zava in game right now. Both his ultis are awesome, depending on the heores ur facing, you can pick the right ulti. (blink or ultimate 1 hit damage) He can lvl up really fast because of the z skill. He also has a slow, Very high damage overall. Very good throught whole stage of the game (can dominate from start to finish). Duran is all about c skill. The farther you are from enemy, the more damage it does. It did get nerfed abit since the damage was super crazy from far distance (it could 1 hit kill low hp heroes) but both his ultis are effective (choose depending on the hero u are facing) damage output is crazy. Also because of the x skill, it can lvl up fast and dominate from start to finish. It can destroy buildings really fast with the help of potion. It got nerfed many times but he is still one of the top melee hero. Lur-cellant. Once so called OP with his hook ulti. It did get nerfed, but it still does one of the highest combination damage in the game. If you know the right combo to do with hook, just 1 hook and combo will kill any hero till they have over 7k hp. Potion + Lur still is dangerous but depending on the hero, you can slow him and run or heroes like Duran can just upswing lur and actually can do more damage. But still Lur is good overall. His x skill when used well can kill buildings super fast. Just have to know where to stand and x on buildings. Modes are really a joke compared to the other ulti they have. I personally think the only reason why people are having trouble is they aren't playing aggressive enough early game with potions. In high level, i think potion is a must from lvl 2 + (some heroes 3+). Just 1 kill early will give you big advantage (not that big so the opponent can't recover) and modes are pretty easy to kill early when they don't have big hp. Modes are only strong when they don't die from enemy skill combination. Just my thought. | ||
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NamelessZero
United States41 Posts
http://www.mediafire.com/?z8d7bt9d6zz9q7g On a side note, what's your opinion on Slaveswing vs Upswing as Duran, Assa? | ||
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hype[NZ]
Japan412 Posts
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justjuice
New Zealand165 Posts
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bobbeh
Canada101 Posts
there's around 20 ppl in there now ty assa | ||
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TobyOrNotToby
Netherlands18 Posts
PS I dont really mind modes, have not been owned by one lately. TobyOrNotTob (no y) 930 | ||
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MicroMarine
United States86 Posts
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
On February 19 2011 08:47 NamelessZero wrote: On a side note, what's your opinion on Slaveswing vs Upswing as Duran, Assa? Against blink heroes (soul hunter, zava, blade hunter, zeros etc) i would prefer upswing so i can get close to them while stunning them and kill with skill combo. Against the rest that has no blink i would choose slaveswing as it's great against hero or buildings. Just have to know that you can kill the opponent with slave swing + potion combo against the opponent. (if the opponent has better juggle combination, upswing can be better) | ||
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TobyOrNotToby
Netherlands18 Posts
Something should be done about it. Last game playing draco i was 2 lvls ahead of genesic, at the xelnaga near my base with 2 spores next to me. I ulted him and the creeps when he was there. He ran up the ramp, used his mode. I went back to base with stim, ran past the turrets and so did he, and i died and he escaped. Its stupid. Could someone tell me how to deal with GENESIC, others i can handle, but mainly him. Or maybe a replay. | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
Fighting with potion : modes are weaker U gotta get used to using mana potion. Always carry 1 or more. | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
We need patch notes, character guides, replays, general chat etc forums. I'm not familiar with those so i would need some help from others. I can ask MaxStorm to give you special credit if anybody make a web page with forums. If i ask MaxStorm to make a custom version of a existing hero (different design or effects of skill just for the special looks) and only become selectable by one person that makes a web page of citytempest, will anybody want to make one? | ||
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pride2518
Canada22 Posts
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starrk
Sweden4 Posts
He's one of the most fun heroes to play imo, and really requires a bit of micro and skill unlike Genesic, Lur and Blade. Arcane too for that matter. I played a lot of Berr Nine with cloak before they removed it. just find the heroes where you have to compensate for lower dps with the right use of skills much more fun. instead of pressing F and a-clicking your opponent and almost always come out on top. I win about 90% of my games or more by tearing through everything with guard fire. especially since he counters the dreaded 3 melee heroes. | ||
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Telefonmann
Germany111 Posts
The game is balanced towards in-house games. Genesic obviously can tank crazy and has a small stun skill. His damage output is probably the lowest out of all melee heroes, but has stuns that make up for it ...... how can you say genesic has the lowest damage output. Oo you can drop buildings and npc heroes bunkers soooo extrem fast.. maxed out you will need 5 seconds for the main building.. Just build 8 archons ..rampage mode and spam the stun.... its ridicoulous... you can destroy the bunker and first tweo cannons at around lvl 6-9.... | ||
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assajocuna
Korea (South)125 Posts
genesic won't be able to beat them until late game when he can survive skill combination (meaning when he has enough hp). Both Blade hunter and Lurcellant does more damage per second with mode. But considering the early stage of the game, the other ulti is better for all 3 mode heroes. | ||
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