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assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 18 2011 15:46 GMT
#501
On February 18 2011 22:57 0mar wrote:
I thought you said that in the recent tournament, a mode player dominated throughout.


The best player in korea used blade hunter mode in one game i think which he
dominated. But that was only 1 game. Throughout the whole tournament, the hero
that dominated the most were Zava and Zeros.
0mar
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
February 18 2011 16:28 GMT
#502
On February 19 2011 00:46 assajocuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2011 22:57 0mar wrote:
I thought you said that in the recent tournament, a mode player dominated throughout.


The best player in korea used blade hunter mode in one game i think which he
dominated. But that was only 1 game. Throughout the whole tournament, the hero
that dominated the most were Zava and Zeros.



ah, okay. Thanks for clearing that up.

I must suck supremely with Zava then because I can't get anything going with her ever. I still do decently in most pubs with her, but this just shows how big a gulf there is between an average pubber and top players.
NamelessZero
Profile Joined February 2011
United States41 Posts
February 18 2011 17:01 GMT
#503
Okay, well, if a Genesic is a player of equivalent skill, you're not gonna stop him that bad in the early game. He can still run in and kill a pack of creeps and back away. Yeah you might be able to get an advantage early game but in the late game, he'll come back and destroy you. You can be level 20 and he can be 14 and he'll kill you if he potions as he attacks to spam skills. Yeah he's only got two spells but it can still hurt. I normally handle Rampage mode without problems when facing lower level players but it can be a real pain against an experienced player.

To those talking about the Dark Tower being negated by armor and being killed in one hit, I'd really like for you to show me which hero can 1 hit the Dark Tower at level 3. I'd also like to know how you can afford to buy tons of armor starting at level 3 to negate the effects of Dark Tower. No one really cares about Hades in the mid and late game, it's the early game where Hades rules. He's a joke if you can survive his early game. The point is to find a way to stay on even ground with him. Hades can easily start trashing your buildings early since his tower outranges them and does a significant amount of damage to you at lower levels.

The majority of the game is surviving the early game without falling too far behind. Nearly any hero can be destroyed so long as you don't let them gain an early advantage. Hades is just one of those heroes that are very strong early on.

Assa, I agree that Knight mode and Blade Master mode are ridiculous. I can usually destroy a mode hero and almost always double team mode heroes. Problem with Genesic is that he can survive a major beatdown as well as hit you at ranged with his mode. If his ranged wasn't there, he'd just by a more sturdy Knight mode while in Rampage.

The best part about skipping out on modes is that you'll get far better burst and the burst damage is what matters when killing heroes/buildings.
Ballistixz
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1269 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-18 19:04:37
February 18 2011 18:56 GMT
#504
the people that think gene is OP are the ppl that never discovered that upgrading armor is actually usefull against melee mode chars. the tower does insanely low atk per hit, so upgrading armor just a little bit will actually negate its dmg by alot. same thing goes for genesis ultimate and knight mode.

honestly, upgrade armor and u will find both the pylon and genesic a non factor. i usually always get armor after im done with shields and HP upgrades from the shop. and once i max out on str then i get even more armor. then i get a buff card armor. so by the time im master i have like 40-50 armor with a buff card and genesis and hades are virtually useless. they will barely do any dmg on you at all.


To those talking about the Dark Tower being negated by armor and being killed in one hit, I'd really like for you to show me which hero can 1 hit the Dark Tower at level 3. I'd also like to know how you can afford to buy tons of armor starting at level 3 to negate the effects of Dark Tower


at lvl 3 his dark tower only does 1 dmg per hit and has low range. medic out ranges tower, dwarven has siege which also out ranges it. arcane can nuke it. horus can prevent him from using tower altogether. etc etc. there are many ways to get around tower. the higher you level up the more of an advantage against him you have.

i myself am starting to main the new hero horus. he complety negates and hard counters melee units in general so hard that its not funny. and he aint bad at all against other heroes either.
NamelessZero
Profile Joined February 2011
United States41 Posts
February 18 2011 21:13 GMT
#505
If you're spending minerals or gas on armor early on, you're really hindering yourself a great deal. Arcane can't kill it in one hit and Horus can only stop him from using it for like 5 seconds.

For the rest of it, you're basically saying that if you want to counter Hades, you need to pre-emptively know a Hades is coming and pick a counter hero for it. Dwarven is also very weak against the tower unless you focus fire with your tanks on to the tower rather than killing creeps. By the time your early tanks actually get it down, it will have killed enough creeps in tandem with Hades' other moves that your efforts are pretty much moot and you've fallen behind in the meta.

We all know he's weak at the end-game because the higher you get, the easier it is to one shot his tower but the point of picking hades is to have a major early advantage. No one in their right mind is gonna choose to pick up armor upgrades in the first two or three levels of the game, that's insane.

Horus was amazingly op when he first came out but after his nerfs, he's pretty average now. I'd say he probably negates mode heroes still but not so much on everything else. Not to mention there's really not more than a handful of pure melee heroes anyway outside of Genesic, Lur, and Blade Hunter.
assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 18 2011 22:15 GMT
#506
The game is balanced towards in-house games.

Melee heroes are purposely made strong. But they have hard counters such as Hades,
Ron, Drago etc...
There are 6 melee heroes (I'll leave horus out as he is a bit different).
Force Fire, Genesic Hunter, Blade Hunter, Zeros, Lurcellant, Duran.
They all have good and bad points.
Force fire has one of the best building destroying
skill (tower summon) and have highest Hp with genesic. Has blink headbutt that can slow
opponent and catch up. One of the strongest early heroes in the game with potion.
To play him well, u must make that early advantage to fullest.

Genesic obviously can tank crazy and has a small stun skill. His damage output
is probably the lowest out of all melee heroes, but has stuns that make up for it (ulti also stuns).
If you chose mode, he will be almost unbeatable end game with super high hp and
mode def + option. But if u picked mode, u'll have really hard time early~mid(this is inhouse game).

Blade Hunter is one of the best hero in the game. Has a pretty big slow aoe, also his ulti
is awesome that can blink strike heavy damage. His z skill also slows down so if you get hit
by his skills, u won't be able to run away. His damage output is above average out of the melee
class. Very good overall.

Zeros. Probably the best hero with Zava in game right now. Both his ultis are awesome,
depending on the heores ur facing, you can pick the right ulti. (blink or ultimate 1 hit damage)
He can lvl up really fast because of the z skill. He also has a slow, Very high damage overall.
Very good throught whole stage of the game (can dominate from start to finish).

Duran is all about c skill. The farther you are from enemy, the more damage it does.
It did get nerfed abit since the damage was super crazy from far distance (it could 1 hit kill
low hp heroes) but both his ultis are effective (choose depending on the hero u are
facing) damage output is crazy. Also because of the x skill, it can lvl up fast and dominate
from start to finish. It can destroy buildings really fast with the help of potion. It got nerfed
many times but he is still one of the top melee hero.

Lur-cellant. Once so called OP with his hook ulti. It did get nerfed, but it still does one of the
highest combination damage in the game. If you know the right combo to do with hook,
just 1 hook and combo will kill any hero till they have over 7k hp. Potion + Lur still is
dangerous but depending on the hero, you can slow him and run or heroes like Duran
can just upswing lur and actually can do more damage. But still Lur is good overall.
His x skill when used well can kill buildings super fast. Just have to know where to stand
and x on buildings.

Modes are really a joke compared to the other ulti they have. I personally think the only
reason why people are having trouble is they aren't playing aggressive enough early game
with potions. In high level, i think potion is a must from lvl 2 + (some heroes 3+).
Just 1 kill early will give you big advantage (not that big so the opponent can't recover)
and modes are pretty easy to kill early when they don't have big hp. Modes are only
strong when they don't die from enemy skill combination.

Just my thought.
NamelessZero
Profile Joined February 2011
United States41 Posts
February 18 2011 23:47 GMT
#507
Hey everyone, we just finished an inhouse. Uploading it now, definitely worth watching. Some of the best players on the NA server faced off against each other (including the great hype and assajocuna). Please leave any comments you might have.

http://www.mediafire.com/?z8d7bt9d6zz9q7g


On a side note, what's your opinion on Slaveswing vs Upswing as Duran, Assa?
hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
February 19 2011 00:07 GMT
#508
the 'great hype' did pretty poorly in that game, lol.
justjuice
Profile Joined January 2010
New Zealand165 Posts
February 19 2011 01:14 GMT
#509
THE GREAT HYPE dun dun dun
bobbeh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada101 Posts
February 19 2011 08:02 GMT
#510
PEOPLE, PEOPLE EVERYWHERE

there's around 20 ppl in there now

ty assa
TobyOrNotToby
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands18 Posts
February 19 2011 09:52 GMT
#511
I am tired of terrible pub teammates, looking for some decent people to play with; say your #1 or 2 in most of your games.

PS I dont really mind modes, have not been owned by one lately.

TobyOrNotTob (no y)
930
That is the Question
MicroMarine
Profile Joined January 2011
United States86 Posts
February 19 2011 12:02 GMT
#512
So is Vagullion a hero to replace wyvern? Is there any real difference? I saw Vagullion using the phoenix skill, just like wyvern.
You gotta micro your marines!
assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 19 2011 13:07 GMT
#513
On February 19 2011 08:47 NamelessZero wrote:
On a side note, what's your opinion on Slaveswing vs Upswing as Duran, Assa?


Against blink heroes (soul hunter, zava, blade hunter, zeros etc) i would prefer upswing
so i can get close to them while stunning them and kill with skill combo.

Against the rest that has no blink i would choose slaveswing as it's great against hero
or buildings. Just have to know that you can kill the opponent with slave swing + potion combo
against the opponent. (if the opponent has better juggle combination, upswing can be better)
TobyOrNotToby
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands18 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-19 14:25:41
February 19 2011 13:58 GMT
#514
ok ill take that back about modes.
Something should be done about it. Last game playing draco i was 2 lvls ahead of genesic, at the xelnaga near my base with 2 spores next to me. I ulted him and the creeps when he was there. He ran up the ramp, used his mode. I went back to base with stim, ran past the turrets and so did he, and i died and he escaped. Its stupid.

Could someone tell me how to deal with GENESIC, others i can handle, but mainly him. Or maybe a replay.
That is the Question
assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 19 2011 16:16 GMT
#515
Fighting without potion : modes are stronger
Fighting with potion : modes are weaker

U gotta get used to using mana potion. Always carry 1 or more.
assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 19 2011 16:27 GMT
#516
Before starting a tournament or organizing one, we desperately need a home page with forum.
We need patch notes, character guides, replays, general chat etc forums.

I'm not familiar with those so i would need some help from others.
I can ask MaxStorm to give you special credit if anybody make a web page with forums.
If i ask MaxStorm to make a custom version of a existing hero (different design or effects of skill
just for the special looks) and only become selectable by one person that makes a web page
of citytempest, will anybody want to make one?
pride2518
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada22 Posts
February 19 2011 18:02 GMT
#517
Modes - Soul Hunter's Ice Mage makes an awesome counter
starrk
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden4 Posts
February 19 2011 18:43 GMT
#518
Why is no one talking about Guard Fire?
He's one of the most fun heroes to play imo, and really requires a bit of micro and skill unlike Genesic, Lur and Blade. Arcane too for that matter.
I played a lot of Berr Nine with cloak before they removed it. just find the heroes where you have to compensate for lower dps with the right use of skills much more fun. instead of pressing F and a-clicking your opponent and almost always come out on top.

I win about 90% of my games or more by tearing through everything with guard fire. especially since he counters the dreaded 3 melee heroes.
Telefonmann
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany111 Posts
February 19 2011 18:53 GMT
#519
[QUOTE]On February 19 2011 07:15 assajocuna wrote:
The game is balanced towards in-house games.

Genesic obviously can tank crazy and has a small stun skill. His damage output
is probably the lowest out of all melee heroes, but has stuns that make up for it


......




how can you say genesic has the lowest damage output. Oo you can drop buildings and npc heroes bunkers soooo extrem fast..

maxed out you will need 5 seconds for the main building.. Just build 8 archons ..rampage mode and spam the stun.... its ridicoulous...

you can destroy the bunker and first tweo cannons at around lvl 6-9....
assajocuna
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)125 Posts
February 19 2011 20:20 GMT
#520
If you try doing 1 on 1 between any of the melee heroes against genesic's mode, with 1 mana potion
genesic won't be able to beat them until late game when he can survive skill combination (meaning when he has enough hp).

Both Blade hunter and Lurcellant does more damage per second with mode. But considering the early stage of the game, the other ulti is better for all 3 mode heroes.
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